King predicts Haynesworth to Redskins

[Nflnick11]

we need to get haynesworth simply because we need to get to the other QB's in the league...even if haynesworth doesn't try because he got paid, he's still a big body that no lineman can move around, if we have a Dline that can beat the Cowboys oline and sack romo, then this is the first and huge piece to that puzzle think about it for a second Carter, Gholston, Haynesworth, Taylor two great pass rushers on the outside and a decent 2 way dtackle, and do it all haynesworth...and for all you saying "I don't want him" just wait till they hold his press conference with him putting on the jersey and smiling and having all those breaking news cameras watching his press conference, thats when it will hit you all and make you change your thoughts of getting him little by little

[DirtyLandry]

Originally Posted by Nflnick11

we need to get haynesworth simply because we need to get to the other QB's in the league...even if haynesworth doesn't try because he got paid, he's still a big body that no lineman can move around, if we have a Dline that can beat the Cowboys oline and sack romo, then this is the first and huge piece to that puzzle think about it for a second Carter, Gholston, Haynesworth, Taylor two great pass rushers on the outside and a decent 2 way dtackle, and do it all haynesworth...and for all you saying "I don't want him" just wait till they hold his press conference with him putting on the jersey and smiling and having all those breaking news cameras watching his press conference, thats when it will hit you all and make you change your thoughts of getting him little by little

Amen, brother. Hearing people say "no way" makes me want to jam a pencil in my eye. This guy is one of the most dominant players in the league. People argue that we have the 4th ranked defense without him. SO WHAT! The Steelers had the #1 D and won the F*cking Superbowl! Uhh..how 'bout the year before that? The Giants won because of Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora and Micheal Strahan. Jesus Christ, I am tired of casual football fans that only want to acquire college kids who have never played a down in the NFL. I don't care if you have the 1st overall pick....he's not guaranteed to do Sh*t. Skins fans are largely paranoid and myopic because of some bad deals that happened a decade ago. A dominant DT can improve your entire D-you don't need elite corners that have to cover all day if your D line is constantly in the face of the QB. This would be worth a lot of $$ to me.

[Nflnick11]

Originally Posted by DirtyLandry

Amen, brother. Hearing people say "no way" makes me want to jam a pencil in my eye. This guy is one of the most dominant players in the league. People argue that we have the 4th ranked defense without him. SO WHAT! The Steelers had the #1 D and won the F*cking Superbowl! Uhh..how 'bout the year before that? The Giants won because of Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora and Micheal Strahan. Jesus Christ, I am tired of casual football fans that only want to acquire college kids who have never played a down in the NFL. I don't care if you have the 1st overall pick....he's not guaranteed to do Sh*t. Skins fans are largely paranoid and myopic because of some bad deals that happened a decade ago. A dominant DT can improve your entire D-you don't need elite corners that have to cover all day if your D line is constantly in the face of the QB. This would be worth a lot of $$ to me.

and their oline was worse than ours, Big Ben was sacked I think the most or the second most in the league...Defense wins championships, some of you maybe be tired of hearing that famous saying but it's true

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by DirtyLandry

Amen, brother. Hearing people say "no way" makes me want to jam a pencil in my eye. This guy is one of the most dominant players in the league. People argue that we have the 4th ranked defense without him. SO WHAT! The Steelers had the #1 D and won the F*cking Superbowl! Uhh..how 'bout the year before that? The Giants won because of Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora and Micheal Strahan. Jesus Christ, I am tired of casual football fans that only want to acquire college kids who have never played a down in the NFL. I don't care if you have the 1st overall pick....he's not guaranteed to do Sh*t. Skins fans are largely paranoid and myopic because of some bad deals that happened a decade ago. A dominant DT can improve your entire D-you don't need elite corners that have to cover all day if your D line is constantly in the face of the QB. This would be worth a lot of $$ to me.

instead of answering one of 3 or 4 issues and calling anyone that doesn't agree with you an idiot, why not try to be a least a little bit more constructive, instead of beating up strawmen. If defense wins championships, what happened to the titans? or the ravens post dilfer? It's hard to win without a good defense, but there's a bit more to it than that, or else new england and indy wouldn't waste so much money on a quarterback.

is he going to help us win a superbowl in 2009? is danny really going to give him six years and 100mill? can we be competitive that way? no concerns about giving that much money to a guy that has character concerns and the titans and his ex-defensive coordinator don't seem super-eager to go after?

I think he'd be a good addition myself, but I don't think AH by himself is going to push us from average to amazing, and his contract and the way the skins work the cap doesn't really seem to work logically... I mean, if we hit on 6 or 7 draft picks and cheap FAs (to replace the guys we'd dump and the weak spots on the roster), but i don't really see it happening.

[DirtyLandry]

[quote=That Guy;529291]

instead of answering one of 3 or 4 issues and calling anyone that doesn't agree with you an idiot, why not try to be a least a little bit more constructive, instead of beating up strawmen.

I never suggested that the skins should address only one of their issues, and I never called anyone an idiot.

If defense wins championships, what happened to the titans? or the ravens post dilfer? It's hard to win without a good defense, but there's a bit more to it than that, or else new england and indy wouldn't waste so much money on a quarterback.

At what point did I say offense is irrelevant? I only made a completely logical argument as to why elite defensive linemen are important and showed exactly why with the last two superbowl winners.

is he going to help us win a superbowl in 2009? is danny really going to give him six years and 100mill? can we be competitive that way? no concerns about giving that much money to a guy that has character concerns and the titans and his ex-defensive coordinator don't seem super-eager to go after?

My initial response was obviously that of a frustrated one. I am tired of pseudo-fans regurgitating and repeating what the talking heads say. This is why it's a copy-cat league, most people can't think for themselves. The "popular" thing to say about Randy Moss prior to going to the Pats was that he had character issues. No he didn't and neither does Haynesworth.

I think he'd be a good addition myself, but I don't think AH by himself is going to push us from average to amazing, and his contract and the way the skins work the cap doesn't really seem to work logically... I mean, if we hit on 6 or 7 draft picks and cheap FAs (to replace the guys we'd dump and the weak spots on the roster), but i don't really see it happening.

If there is no cap next year, then why worry about a players salary? Also, I noted in my post that an elite, blue chip DT can improve an entire Defense, never did I propose that this player alone would solve all of our woes. You probably should have read my post in it's entirety. If we hit on 6 or 7 draft picks? Dude, we have only four this year and this FO has shown that it doesn't draft well, and don't give me the Horton argument. For the money, Haynesworth is the single best option for helping an entire organization.

[That Guy]

I hate quote wars, it's a waste of time, but obviously we're talking past each other. Hopefully this helps articulate what didn't get through the first time.

The last point is the important one.

Originally Posted by DirtyLandry

I never suggested that the skins should address only one of their issues, and I never called anyone an idiot.

so am i paranoid, myopic, or just a casual fan? and this doesn't serve to devalue opinions that don't match your own? cause that's the way it reads.

My initial response was obviously that of a frustrated one. I am tired of pseudo-fans regurgitating and repeating what the talking heads say. This is why it's a copy-cat league, most people can't think for themselves. The "popular" thing to say about Randy Moss prior to going to the Pats was that he had character issues. No he didn't and neither does Haynesworth.

I didn't... I'm trying to look up the post now, but I believe I said it was the steal of the draft or of the year and that he absolutely DID NOT have character issues. It's just that football is just a job to him, and if he could he'd spend his time smoking weed and fishing on his boat. I mean, he lives in a retirement community and his neighbors have never had a complaint. and the pats got a crazy deal on his salary too. so I'm not sure where that was "popular" to say, but i really don't remember that here.

You probably should have read my post in it's entirety. If we hit on 6 or 7 draft picks?

you should probably pay more attention when reading mine, i said draft picks AND cheap FAs to replace lost talent... cheap FAs don't always work out so well either.

I assure you I know how many draft picks we have, and I'm also well aware that we don't draft all that well.

At what point did I say offense is irrelevant? I only made a completely logical argument as to why elite defensive linemen are important and showed exactly why with the last two superbowl winners.

If there is no cap next year, then why worry about a players salary? Also, I noted in my post that an elite, blue chip DT can improve an entire Defense, never did I propose that this player alone would solve all of our woes.

well, if we're barely under the cap, and we have to cut players to get him in here (30% rule if we're going to assume no new CBA, which i think is a HUGE assumption until it's actually announced as such, despite local objections). that would completely rule out helping the offense and cutting players without getting adequate replacements.

30mill sb, 96mill/6year deal (5 year proration of SB and 30% rule in effect)

Year    2009    2010    2011    2012    2013    2014
SB        6        6       6       6       6       0
Salary   5.2     6.8     8.8    11.4    14.8    19.3

that means 11mill to get him in the door at asking price. If that's the plan, where does Hall's contract come in to play? why would we be talking with chris canty? we probably would have to ditch any notion of doing much to improve the OL too. With daniels, griffin, springs, taylor, and rabach gone you have ~22mill to work with (and marcus's money for the rookie pool) including emergencies, replacements, our current RFA/UFAs, outside FAs, etc.

so, let's keep rabach, since there's no cheap alternative and assume haynesworth is signed. ~22 - 2.4 - 11.2 = 8.4. if you want to sign hall too with the 30% rule, and he wants 15mill sb/5years, that's another 6mill gone, and your offseason is already done. you'll probably lose evans or daniels, canty is out, and you've still got a crap OL, no added depth, a huge hole at OLB, and no money to sign offensive help like a bobby engram, a kicker, or a punter.

Not to mention you probably can't get kendall, fabini, montgomery and golston all back at vet min either... AND you need to count 460k for each or those cuts above for their vet min replacements, bringing that 2.4mill down to under 1mill. So, despite local objections, I like Haynesworth a lot, BUT NOT at that price.

That's why I asked if he was the missing piece, because, with our structure as is, that'd be our offseason. If you're talking about getting him, watching a CBA get nuked and having him for the uncapped years, that's a HUGE gamble, but at least you're cutting players that weren't staying here long anyways. It'd be a rough year with less than 0 depth though in 2009.


if I screwed something up, let me know, but I'm pretty sure the uncapped money structure is even worse than the capped version (for 2009) where you just assume he'll get lazy or hurt.

[over the mountain]

question:

is snyder allowed to enter discussions/negotiations with haynesworth's agent while AH is still under contract until friday with the titans?

im guessin it must be perfectly legit since the article doesnt say anything. also AH's agent does rep other players (FA and draft declared) which snyder would be able to inquire about. just curious if this is perfectly ok, an unwritten rule where snyder and AH's agent could met and talk about other things just not about acquiring AH, or some third option.

go skins!

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

question:

is snyder allowed to enter discussions/negotiations with haynesworth's agent while AH is still under contract until friday with the titans?

im guessin it must be perfectly legit since the article doesnt say anything. also AH's agent does rep other players (FA and draft declared) which snyder would be able to inquire about. just curious if this is perfectly ok, an unwritten rule where snyder and AH's agent could met and talk about other things just not about acquiring AH, or some third option.

go skins!

since noone answered my question i searched for the answer. it seems that danny (from the slant in the King article) was tampering if he was talking with AH agent before FA begins. Like i thought, its just too hard of a rule to enforce so it becomes a gentlemen's code of conduct to which . . . . danny knows no ethics. i think this is the kinda thing that might get the other owners not to happy with danny. bad rep gets worse.

TAMPERING CONTINUES TO BE A COMBINE REALITY

Posted by Mike Florio on February 23, 2009, 7:45 a.m. EST
As you might have figured out by now, we’re fascinated by the concept of tampering, especially when it comes to the discussions that occur between agents for pending free agents and other teams at the Scouting Combine in Indianapolis.
Eagles president Joe Banner acknowledges the situation in an interview with Les Bowen of the Philadelphia Daily News.
Specifically, Banner explains that, if one of his team’s free agents isn’t re-signed by the commencement of the free-agent signing period, it’s because the player “knows he wants to leave, or there’s a better deal somewhere.”
And a player will know there’s a better deal somewhere only if other teams have engaged in prohibited communications with the player’s agent regarding the deals that are available.
It’s a fact of life, as Colts president and G.M. Bill Polian acknowledged on Sunday. But Polian realizes there’s nothing that can be done about it.
“I don’t know if there is a remedy for it that’s enforceable, it just may be human nature,” Polian said, according to Paul Kuharsky of ESPN.com. “I wish it were otherwise but I don’t know of any way to make it change.”
The league’s Anti-Tampering Policy clearly prohibits any private meetings or conversations between a player or his agent and a team at a time when another team holds the player’s rights. And the policy acknowledges that some players or their agents might try to spark such talks — especially since as Drew Rosenhaus recently pointed out no rules of the NFL Players Association prevent agents from trying to incite tampering.
Under such circumstances, however, the policy states that a team contacted by the agent for a player who is under contract with another franchise “must immediately report” the incident to the team that holds the player’s rights.
We’d be willing to bet that such a report has never been made.
The reality is that nearly everyone tampers at this time of the year, and that nearly no one makes a big deal about it. So a serious disconnect exists, and as we’ve pointed out in the past the league should alter the rules to reflect the manner in which things really happen.
The fix is easy. Upon the conclusion of the Super Bowl, players scheduled to become free agents in less than a month should be permitted to negotiate with any other team, but prohibited from signing until the official opening of free agency. Such an approach would address one of the most awkward aspects of the business habits of the 32 NFL teams, with all or nearly all of them routinely violating the terms of a rule that the league office rarely attempts to enforce.

END ARTICLE

Am i the only one who is concerned about this? will we be stripped some draft picks like the 49ers? do i need to bring up other non-nfl related business moves danny has done that show he has no heart and will bend or break rules for his benefit? as an nfl owner or GM how would you feel reading this King article about danny meeting AH's agent? i like danny as an nfl owner, but his tactics leave a trail of slime wherever he goes.

rant over, sorry.

go skins!!

[Nflnick11]

Good point about defenses in the past, but here's the thing with haynesworth; name me one defensive lineman on our team right now whose better than haynesworth.
Also when we got London fletcher from buffalo I didn't think it wasn't that much of an upgrade over lemar Marshall ... Then fletch played great for us and became a difference maker and playmaker for our defense, same thing with haynesworth, he's clearly better than any of our DTs put together... And if we sign him to a contract it should have incenives to it like if e make playoffs he gets 10 million a year but if we don't he gets 4 million a year or something like that/ close to that

[Schneed10]

I'm going to tear my hair out with all these "I'd love Haynesworth, but not for that price!" posts.

THERE IS NO PRICE IF THERE IS NO CAP!!!

Do I need to start an informational thread on the salary cap and why its days are numbered?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I'm going to tear my hair out with all these "I'd love Haynesworth, but not for that price!" posts.

THERE IS NO PRICE IF THERE IS NO CAP!!!

Do I need to start an informational thread on the salary cap and why its days are numbered?

Don't do anything rash LOL... i think it's hard for folks to believe there won't be a cap again. That's all.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Don't do anything rash LOL... i think it's hard for folks to believe there won't be a cap again. That's all.

i assure you, 2010 will be the only year without a cap. it will be back in 2011, which is why we would be wise to refrain from making any huge signings now.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

i assure you, 2010 will be the only year without a cap. it will be back in 2011, which is why we would be wise to refrain from making any huge signings now.

Ask The Commish.com - Capanomics 101

Basically, through the CBA the parties have realized that the goal of the players and the management should be the same—increasing the revenue pie instead of fighting over the existing amount—and the NFL has tailored the CBA to achieve that end.

The NFLPA was rewarded with the concept of Free Agency, whereby players have the freedom to market their skills after a specific period of service. As a system of checks and balances, the owners sought a means of cutting back on the escalation of the players' salaries. This is accomplished by -- you guessed it -- the NFL Salary Cap.

So if the CBA expires, player salaries will escalate faster though player movement between teams will be more limited. The players, like anyone else, will think with their wallets first. Especially now that Gene Upshaw is gone.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Ask The Commish.com - Capanomics 101



So if the CBA expires, player salaries will escalate faster though player movement between teams will be more limited. The players, like anyone else, will think with their wallets first. Especially now that Gene Upshaw is gone.

I posted about this in another thread and i disagree with you that thats what would happen. No salary cap means no salary floor. So players on low-market teams would be grossly underpaid. Also, considering how bad the economy is, i dont think salaries will continue to escellate as it has been in the past. within a year, both owners and players will work out something new.

If the CBA goes away for good, then sure, sign haynesworth for all i care. its snyders money. Haynesworth is an upgrade to our DL... but we shouldnt expect much out of him. I dont expect him to average more than 13 games a season over the duration of his time here or more than 4 sacks/year. he'll be cut within 4 years.

As for 2009, id rather have Jason Taylor AND chris Canty for my 16M than one Albert haynesworth.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I'm going to tear my hair out with all these "I'd love Haynesworth, but not for that price!" posts.

THERE IS NO PRICE IF THERE IS NO CAP!!!

Do I need to start an informational thread on the salary cap and why its days are numbered?

Yes. Please explain.