Will Haynesworth and Dockery be worth 3 wins?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

If our two young WR end up being busts it won't matter much how Dockery performs. Haynesworth is good for a win or two by himself if he indeed gives us what he gave the Titans. Still, outside of Moss, our WR corp is rather pathetic. The one guy in the TO thread threw out how Holt wants out of St Louis. Holt might be worth pursuing. Thrash sucks, ARE is overrated, and the youngsters just might end up being busts. I would consider trading ARE to St. Louis for Holt.

Trading ARL ain't happening (look at the cap spreadsheet).

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Obviously Friday was big as we upgraded both lines immediately. After jumping out to a 6-2 start we can outline games that both lines basically cost us. We couldn't stop the run vs. Dallas, Baltimore and Cincinnati and our OL was a sieve vs. Pittsburgh and NYG. 3 more wins makes us an 11 win team and would represent our best record in over a decade. I think the Dockery signing was more important to our success next year because our greatest need was on the OL.

We've got a relatively young skill position core (Campbell, Cooley, Davis, Thomas, Kelly, Portis, Haynesworth, Landry, Rogers, Hall) that is a combination of proven and unproven players but we've got to be successful in '09 or else we're looking at another start over next offseason.

We still need a RT and SLB, do we still have cap room (Schneed thought we did last night) to address one of these needs in free agency?

didn't read post, only title

hard to say, how can anyone guess that?

[skinsfan242]

You have to remember the fact we now have an expierenced coach equals one more win.
The whole team running the same system one more win.
AH, Dockery, and second year receivers equal 1 more win.

It is not just one thing it is a multiple of things.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan242

You have to remember the fact we now have an expierenced coach equals one more win.
The whole team running the same system one more win.
AH, Dockery, and second year receivers equal 1 more win.

It is not just one thing it is a multiple of things.

Well, two of those things aren't reasons that the team would win more.

In the NFL, coaches represent a neutral entity. You can make the argument that we'll win one more game this year because of improved coaching, but you also have to be out on the limb that Zorn and Co. made so many terrible decisions last year that they were chiefly responsible for 1.0 losses in 2008. That would be a really, historically bad season, maybe up there with 2001 Morningweg, or an average season from Bruce Coslet.

Basically, I'm saying there's no reason to expect noticeable improvement due to Zorn, because Zorn's inexperience wasn't a reason we lost last year. It just sort of was.

BTW, even given the above, you can't say that the familiarity with the system equals another win. 1) Same issue as above. Did we make so many mistakes by not knowing the plays that we lost a game solely because of it? Doubt it. 2) If you weren't trying to point out that the lack of familiarity with the system was a result of Zorn's inexperience, what exactly were you saying in the first point.

I think you argued that Zorn's experience with the players should be worth a win, and then the players expereince with Zorn is worth another win. Um, what?

The rest of your post I agree with. The current Washington Redskins are about one win better than they were in 2008 thanks to Haynesworth and Dockery AND the expected development of the receivers, minus no Jason Taylor, no Marcus Washington, and no Shawn Springs.

[John Denny]

Hell, if Zorn just learns to manage the clock, we'd win two or three more games.

[nyredskinsfan]

Originally Posted by Redskin Jim

I agree that we should be improved from last year, but, to get back on track of the thread, I don't think that AH And Dock = 3 wins... My only defense of my opinion is the age and inability of the o line to stay healthy. REMEMBER Dock is replacing Kendall, who was the most consistant player on the line...

"Seeing the ball loose, Kendall grabbed it. Then, instead of playing it safe, he inexplicably tried to run with it. Tinoisamoa hit him, forcing a fumble that Oshiomogho Atogwe scooped up and raced 75 yards to the end zone to send St. Louis into halftime with the lead en route to the stunning 19-17 victory."

With this one and another game or two where the Offense provided nothing but 3 and outs we would have made the playoffs and done well.

I'm still pissed about that loss and Kendal.

[nyredskinsfan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan242

You have to remember the fact we now have an expierenced coach equals one more win.
The whole team running the same system one more win.
AH, Dockery, and second year receivers equal 1 more win.

It is not just one thing it is a multiple of things.

The Def wasn't bad and now it's better. Won't miss Springs one bit.

The OL OL OL OL OL OL OL OL OL OL OL OL needs work. Blocking for Campbell is the key improvement area.