Mark Sanchez at 13th?

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I don't think even Snyder is that batshit crazy to give away 4 years of first rounders.

That would be the worst case scenario and I doubt he'd do it but with DS IMO, anything is possible. I could easily see 2 - 1st rounders and 2 other rounds for a total of 4 picks.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Nope. The Sanchez talk is all a ruse. The good thing is that it had fooled many people, which was the goal of the talk all along.

Angry is correct. Sanchez is not really on the radar.

You have a lot of faith huh

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Putting aside what would have to be given up to get them, who would you guys think would be the better QB for us-Sanchez or Quinn?

Quinn. The floor on Quinn is about league average. The floor on Sanchez is doesn't belong in the NFL (although that's highly unlikely).

They both could be great, but again, I think Quinn is more likely to be great. Sanchez is a little bit more accurate than Quinn, but not nearly as good a decision maker, and their arms are comparable. Quinn's pocket presence is about two or three tiers above Sanchez, who really never even feels the rush.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Buster

Can you say that with certainty?

Yes I can.

I'm not doubting the price will be steep to move up, but 4 first rounders is simply not going to happen.

[53Fan]

USC football: A reason Mark Sanchez should stay - USC - OCRegister.com
I think Sanchez is doing a wonderful job of putting his Communications Major to good use.

[WillH]

I don't know what to think about this whole thing . . .

I think that if we were in dire need of a young QB then I would be very excited by the prospect of drafting Sanchez, but honestly that excitement would be based on little other than hype. I mean his highlights are fairly impressive, and he's got a dynamite personality, especially compared to JC's robotic stoicism, and he seemed very excited about the possibility of being a redskin, but he's had what 16 starts as a college QB? How is that enough for this franchise to take such a huge risk to secure him? I mean I feel like JC's credentials coming out of college were a bit more comforting, (okay sure it wasn't until his fourth season starting that he really took off, but being successful in despite the system changes seemed to indicate he was more then a product of his environment, at very least) and what we gave up a 1st, 3rd, and 4th to secure him at pick 25? Now we are potentially going to give up double that to secure Sanchez? I'm just not sure it's a sound investment. How can you justify the risk with so little to base the potential reward on?

They must really have no faith in JC as our franchise QB. A trade up for Sanchez would go way beyond the Redskins covering all their bases, considering all possibilities to improve the franchise. Talk of it is even toeing the line when it comes to the QB position, you really risk effecting the psyche of a young QB in these situations, so you've got to think their concern in JC as our future must outweigh their concern that they might be damaging his ego at crucial juncture in his career.

Sooo as I see it, one of three things can happen:

1. We pull the trigger, get MS, trade JC, and start a very unproven young QB, with Todd Collins as the seasoned veteran, and they essentially will have pressed reset when it comes to Zorn teaching the starting QB his system ...

2. They can't trade up, they settle for JC, whom they have no faith in, and whose ego is severely tentative due to our off season moves ( I've heard he's gone on vacation with Sellers, so he is obviously concerned about all this) ...

3. It proves to be a smoke screen, and a brilliant one at that, but what could all this convoluted scheming be a smoke screen for? Could JC be in on it? Are they trying to trick teams into thinking they are a disjointed franchise, so they can pounce on unsuspecting teams during the season with JC (who secretly they had complete faith in the whole time) at the helm? Will the take a fall through the preseason to keep this going?

Option three is the only one that would restore my faith in this FO, and certainly the least likely to happen. So in that light, I guess I'm on board with drafting Sanchez. I guess if they have no faith in JC it'd be better for them to pull the trigger now while they can get something for him ( btw, what do you think we can get?) than to hope his stoic demeanor is so pervasive he can actually not care about what has gone down this off season, and can prove them wrong.

All in all, this franchise is way too tumultuous to develop into a real contender. S@#$, why do you need a superstar QB? I know its exciting to watch and all, but it is not a surefire way to win a SuperBowl ( i.e. McNabb). I would have much preferred they stuck it out with Campbell, but at this point I'm not sure that option and their aims are reconcilable any longer. Either way, the future of the franchise is extremely uncertain at the moment, this move has the feel of one of the colossal mistakes of the Dan Snyder era.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Buster

Can you say that with certainty?




Snyder has done a great job drafting actually. At least in the 1st-round.

2008 *traded down*
2007 LaRon Landry
2006 *traded pick*
2005 Jason Campbell (traded up for extra Round 1 pick)
2005 Carlos Rogers
2004 Sean Taylor
2003 *traded pick*
2002 Patrick Ramsey BUST
2001 Rod Gardner BUST
2000 Chris Samuels
2000 LaVar Arrington
1999 Champ Bailey *traded for Portis*

However, the WORST Redskins' pick ever was Heath Shuler in 1994. Skins fans, myself included, thought this guy would be the greatest QB ever...he sucked horribly. Even worse than Patrick Ramsey. In 1995, we drafted Michael Westbrook, who was great for a year, then beat up Stephen Davis in practice and failed miserably after that. Desmond Howard in 1992 was a lot better AFTER he left Washington.

But, look at the last few drafts, very solid.

If memory serves those successful picks are slanted toward the top half of the first round, my 12 yr old nephew who is a mega football fan could be successful in the top half of the first round. What amazes me is that Skins fans have to talk about how DS, the owner, has done in the draft. You dont hear Steeler fans talk about how Rooney did in the draft because Rooney doesnt draft, his football people do. The first step toward the Skins becomming a successful organization again will be when the owner stops making talent evaluations and draft decisions.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Putting aside what would have to be given up to get them, who would you guys think would be the better QB for us-Sanchez or Quinn?

Good question I really don't know.

I guess I know more about Quinn, I honestly have never seen Sanchez play other than just checking out some YouTube highlights. I'm guessing Sanchez may have more potential, but Quinn is probably more ready for success in the short term.

[skinsfan_nn]

Well we are at 13 right now in the first ..but whos counting..? This could get very interesting.

Sanchez Situation Getting Interesting
Posted by Mike Florio on April 23, 2009, 12:02 p.m.

At a time when much of the focus falls on the question of when and if the Lions will do a deal with Georgia quarterback Matthew Stafford as the No. 1 overall pick, the other big-name quarterback is continuing to stir things up.

According to Sal Paolantonio of ESPN, intrigue is developing surrounding USC quarterback Mark Sanchez.

Several teams are involved — the Seahawks, Browns, Redskins, and Jets, for starters.

One scenario involves the Redskins moving from No. 12 to No. 4 (a spot held by Seattle), drafting Sanchez, and then trading Jason Campbell to the Vikings, Bucs, or Jets.

The Browns also are supposedly interested in taking Sanchez at No. 5 and trading Brady Quinn, to the Bucs or the Jets.

Per Paolantonio, the Jets are the team most interested in Quinn. But the Jets also are inclined to try to beat the ‘Skins to Sanchez.

If Sanchez is on the board after pick No. 5, we’ve been told that the action is likely at No. 8, with the Jags trading down with the Redskins or the Jets.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Nope. The Sanchez talk is all a ruse. The good thing is that it had fooled many people, which was the goal of the talk all along.

Angry is correct. Sanchez is not really on the radar.

Huh..? Don't fool yourself.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Putting aside what would have to be given up to get them, who would you guys think would be the better QB for us-Sanchez or Quinn?

Is this a real question or am i missing some sarcasm? I know he was hyped coming out of college, but Quinn is entering his third year in the league and cant surplant Derek Anderson on the freaking Cleavland Browns. Thats all i need to know about him.

Sanchez is definitely a better fit for this offense.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

Well we are at 13 right now in the first ..but whos counting..? This could get very interesting.

Sanchez Situation Getting Interesting
Posted by Mike Florio on April 23, 2009, 12:02 p.m.

At a time when much of the focus falls on the question of when and if the Lions will do a deal with Georgia quarterback Matthew Stafford as the No. 1 overall pick, the other big-name quarterback is continuing to stir things up.

According to Sal Paolantonio of ESPN, intrigue is developing surrounding USC quarterback Mark Sanchez.

Several teams are involved — the Seahawks, Browns, Redskins, and Jets, for starters.

One scenario involves the Redskins moving from No. 12 to No. 4 (a spot held by Seattle), drafting Sanchez, and then trading Jason Campbell to the Vikings, Bucs, or Jets.

The Browns also are supposedly interested in taking Sanchez at No. 5 and trading Brady Quinn, to the Bucs or the Jets.

Per Paolantonio, the Jets are the team most interested in Quinn. But the Jets also are inclined to try to beat the ‘Skins to Sanchez.

If Sanchez is on the board after pick No. 5, we’ve been told that the action is likely at No. 8, with the Jags trading down with the Redskins or the Jets.

I see your ESPN reporter and raise you with ESPN NFC East Blogger Matt Mosley-

Sanjay (Da Iladel, PA): Considering the Skins signed Haynesworth to compete right now, won't drafting a guy like Sanchez, who is clearly not ready to start immediately with his limited college experience, set the Redskins playoff chances back a couple years? I think it would be difficult to keep Campbell as a starter with one year left on his contract and Sanchez as a backup.

SportsNation Matt Mosley: (10:18 AM ET ) Franchise quarterbacks are hard to come by. If the 'Skins have truly fallen in love with Sanchez (and I'm not convinced they have), then you don't have a bunch of "win now" discussions. Did anyone think the Falcons would "win now" after drafting Ryan. I think you'd bring the kid in and let him compete with Campbell. If Campbell wins, that might actually be a positive thing.

vic (dc) [via mobile]: do u think the redskins will move up to get sanchez? or do they hope for maybin or orakpo to drop

SportsNation Matt Mosley: (10:45 AM ET ) 'Skins are privately saying it's not going to happen. But I don't believe anything right now. Not even my wife. Kidding.

Rocky(Binghamton,NY): I don't like any of the prospects outside of Orakpo/Maybin at number 11 for the bills. If neither is there I'd say trade down to maximize their draft picks. What do you think the bills can get for there #11 pick if sanchez is still available?

SportsNation Matt Mosley: (10:58 AM ET ) I'd get Vinny Cerrato on the phone and find out. The Redskins would simply swap picks with the Bills. But Buffalo's going to also ask for a premium pick in 2010 (see first-rounder). I know Snyder doesn't want to do it. But that might be the price.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Buster

Can you say that with certainty?




Snyder has done a great job drafting actually. At least in the 1st-round.

2008 *traded down*
2007 LaRon Landry
2006 *traded pick*
2005 Jason Campbell (traded up for extra Round 1 pick)
2005 Carlos Rogers
2004 Sean Taylor
2003 *traded pick*
2002 Patrick Ramsey BUST
2001 Rod Gardner BUST
2000 Chris Samuels
2000 LaVar Arrington
1999 Champ Bailey *traded for Portis*

However, the WORST Redskins' pick ever was Heath Shuler in 1994. Skins fans, myself included, thought this guy would be the greatest QB ever...he sucked horribly. Even worse than Patrick Ramsey. In 1995, we drafted Michael Westbrook, who was great for a year, then beat up Stephen Davis in practice and failed miserably after that. Desmond Howard in 1992 was a lot better AFTER he left Washington.

But, look at the last few drafts, very solid.

If I recall correctly Westbroke beat up Davis in '98, had his breakout season in '99, then floundered after that and was out of the league within 3 years. SS, were you working in the market at that time?

What were the details of any of the trades that we gave up 1st round picks and who were the players drafted in those slots?

[Monksdown]

Heavy interest in Mark Sanchez in NFL draft - ESPN

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Putting aside what would have to be given up to get them, who would you guys think would be the better QB for us-Sanchez or Quinn?

I'd say Quinn cause he's had two years of NFL experience. But I don't see Quinn or Sanchez being a top NFL. They just look like middle of the pack or serviceable guys. Neither has the skill set of Carson Palmer, Jay Cutler, Flacco or even Campbell.