Obama Care

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Sit back, take off your partisan hat and think about the most basic question: Should everyone, let alone every US Citizen, have access to quality healthcare?

At whose cost?

Where did the idea get started that everyone has a 'right' to the services of another human being?

[Trample the Elderly]

Please, enlightened Communists, tell me how this works. If I don't have health insurance the government is going to fine me. At the same time, I'm paying for the health insurance of others. Is that about right?

Where is the money to pay for this coming from anyway? Social security is almost broke, medicaid is broke from what I hear, and the government has borrowed more money than it can print. So, if you have a magic lamp let me know. I'd like season tickets and the Swedish Bikini Team. I'm mean as long as you're handing out free lunches . . . . I mean those Swedish girls do provide a healthy service.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

At whose cost?

Where did the idea get started that everyone has a 'right' to the services of another human being?

It will cost us as much as it did to " give everyone a house " . NO FREE LUNCH . I hope like hell that we improve our healthcare , but scrapping an imperfect system makes us much sence as the Redskins releasing our entire OL , WR's and JC because they were not a top 5 offense .

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by budw38

It will cost us as much as it did to " give everyone a house " . NO FREE LUNCH . I hope like hell that we improve our healthcare , but scrapping an imperfect system makes us much sence as the Redskins releasing our entire OL , WR's and JC because they were not a top 5 offense .

don't give away VC's strategies in a silly healthcare debate.... Geez

[budw38]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

don't give away VC's strategies in a silly healthcare debate.... Geez

How are you CRedskin . I think we will be fine on offense as long as our Line plays well .

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by budw38

How are you CRedskin . I think we will be fine on offense as long as our Line plays well .

I am good, I think we are gonna do some real damage this year. Personally I 'm hoping atleast for the division title, but alas the season is sooooo far away.

I was just playing on your analogy; people are in such a hurry to scrap a system that has produced so many modern miracles, it just really amazes me.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I am good, I think we are gonna do some real damage this year. Personally I 'm hoping atleast for the division title, but alas the season is sooooo far away.

I was just playing on your analogy; people are in such a hurry to scrap a system that has produced so many modern miracles, it just really amazes me.

I agree , maybe I'am wrong but 85 % of Americans like the health care they have ? Of course , we should always look for improvements in everything we do as a nation and as individuals .

[Beemnseven]

Now, this is a excerpt from a recent George Will column. Dismiss it if you like, but just consider the facts about this figure we hear so much about: the 45 million uninsured -- the people for whom we have to create a massive new government program.

Although 70 percent of insured Americans rate their health-care arrangements good or excellent, radical reform of health care is supposedly necessary because there are 45.7 million uninsured. That number is, however, a "snapshot" of a nation in which more than 20 million working Americans change jobs every year. Many of them are briefly uninsured between jobs. If all the uninsured were assembled for a group photograph, and six months later the then-uninsured were assembled for another photograph, about half the people in the photos would be different.

Almost 39 percent of the uninsured are in five states -- Florida, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California, all of which are entry points for immigrants. About 21 percent -- 9.7 million -- of the uninsured are not citizens. As many as 14 million are eligible for existing government programs -- Medicare, Medicaid, SCHIP, veterans' benefits, etc. -- but have not enrolled. And 9.1 million have household incomes of at least $75,000 and could purchase insurance. Those last two cohorts are more than half of the 45.7 million.

Insuring the perhaps 20 million persons who are protractedly uninsured because they cannot afford insurance is conceptually simple: Give them money -- (refundable) tax credits or debit cards (which have replaced food stamps) loaded with a particular value. This would produce people who are more empowered than dependent. Unfortunately, advocates of a government option consider that a defect. Which is why the simple idea of the dependency agenda cuts like a razor through the complexities of this debate.

This is something I've never heard addressed by those who favor a public option -- if you're so concerned about the cost of healthcare for those who cannot afford it, why not make the cost tax deductable just like it is for employers?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

At whose cost?

Where did the idea get started that everyone has a 'right' to the services of another human being?

Stop asking silly philisophical questions. Just consider the source and agree that it is a "right" to "quality" health care. Now pay up buddy. We need more of your money to fund someone else's "rights".

[saden1]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Stop asking silly philisophical questions. Just consider the source and agree that it is a "right" to "quality" health care. Now pay up buddy. We need more of your money to fund someone else's "rights".

If the answer is readily available it's not much of a philosophical question.

A person with Ubuntu is open and available to others, affirming of others, does not feel threatened that others are able and good, for he or she has a proper self-assurance that comes from knowing that he or she belongs in a greater whole and is diminished when others are humiliated or diminished, when others are tortured or oppressed.

-Archbishop Desmond Tutu

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by saden1

If the answer is readily available it's not much of a philosophical question.

A person with Ubuntu is open and available to others, affirming of others, does not feel threatened that others are able and good, for he or she has a proper self-assurance that comes from knowing that he or she belongs in a greater whole and is diminished when others are humiliated or diminished, when others are tortured or oppressed.

-Archbishop Desmond Tutu

When the response, such as this one from Desmond Tutu, is complete and utter bullshit, it's not much of a philisophical answer.

I'm sure the nation's doctors, nurses and healthcare professionals will snap-to and offer themselves up as slaves after reading this crap from Tutu.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

When the response, such as this one from Desmond Tutu, is complete and utter bullshit, it's not much of a philisophical answer.

I'm sure the nation's doctors, nurses and healthcare professionals will snap-to and offer themselves up as slaves after reading this crap from Tutu.

See my response above. Why ask a question when all it takes is a little research to arrive at the answer?

Ubuntu is not bulshit but a way of life. It is a philosophical answer if you understand it. You clearly don't understand it or have it. You are Ubuntuless!

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by saden1

See my response above. Why ask a question when all it takes is a little research to arrive at the answer?

I love it when saden baits.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I love it when saden baits.

It is easy to trap the inexpert.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by saden1

Ubuntu is not bulshit but a way of life. It is a philosophical answer if you understand it. You clearly don't understand it or have it. You are Ubuntuless!

As is DVOA, but I find most people prefer actual, real-world answers to questions.