What has Obama done well?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by dmek25

im with saden. TTE, whats the major problem with Obama showing another leader some respect? is it kind of like someone going to another country and expecting them to speak english? us darn arrogant Americans

I am so shocked by this. You, Saden, in agreement???? Is this the first time in Warpath history? AMAZING!

[12thMan]

Interesting thread...

First I think it's worth mentioning that there are no perfect presidents, no perfect cabinets, and certainly no perfect policies - at least none that a 100% of the people will agree on 100% of the time.

Angry's and Saden's posts, in my opinion, tend to portray a pretty accurate account of his first seven months in office. If nothing else I think he's proven to be an extremely savvy and tactful politician. I'm particularly struck by some of his Republican appointments:

John Hunt (Ambassador to China)
Ray LaHood (Sec. Transportation)
Jim Leach ( National Endowment of the Humanities)
Robert Gates (Sec. of Defense)
John McHugh (Sec. of Army)
General Jim Jones (NSA)

John Hunt and Gen. Jones could easily, and they still may, run for national office one day. Along those same bipartisan lines, in 2007 Obama and Dick Lugar (R) crafted legistlation on nonproliferation law. It wouldn't at all surprise me to learn that Obama and Lugar talk on a regular basis about a host of foreign policy issues. So I find it difficult to swallow the notion that on one hand Obama is some radical leftist trained by terrorists who hates America, yet when I look at the makeup of some of his most trusted advisors and colleagues, they are seasoned men of stature who are anything but radical. It just seems like an unfair standard some here hold him to.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Interesting thread...

First I think it's worth mentioning that there are no perfect presidents, no perfect cabinets, and certainly no perfect policies - at least none that a 100% of the people will agree on 100% of the time.

Angry's and Saden's posts, in my opinion, tend to portray a pretty accurate account of his first seven months in office. If nothing else I think he's proven to be an extremely savvy and tactful politician. I'm particularly struck by some of his Republican appointments:

John Hunt (Ambassador to China)
Ray LaHood (Sec. Transportation)
Jim Leach ( National Endowment of the Humanities)
Robert Gates (Sec. of Defense)
John McHugh (Sec. of Army)
General Jim Jones (NSA)

John Hunt and Gen. Jones could easily, and they still may, run for national office one day. Along those same bipartisan lines, in 2007 Obama and Dick Lugar (R) crafted legistlation on nonproliferation law. It wouldn't at all surprise me to learn that Obama and Lugar talk on a regular basis about a host of foreign policy issues. So I find it difficult to swallow the notion that on one hand Obama is some radical leftist trained by terrorists who hates America, yet when I look at the makeup of some of his most trusted advisors and colleagues, they are seasoned men of stature who are anything but radical. It just seems like an unfair standard some here hold him to.

the best trick the devil ever played was making people believe he didn't. exist. :FIREdevil

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

the best trick the devil ever played was making people believe he didn't. exist. :FIREdevil

Seems like you have a lot of faith in the devil.

[GMScud]

I gotta say, having this little dude as his chief of staff is a good move for Obama and his policies, but personally he scares the hell out of me:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/16/us...l.html?_r=1&hp

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by dmek25

im with saden. TTE, whats the major problem with Obama showing another leader some respect? is it kind of like someone going to another country and expecting them to speak english? us darn arrogant Americans

First of all, when you say us darned arrogant Americans you need to speak for yourself.

Second, the President of the United States doesn't bow before anyone, nor does any American. Showing respect means a handshake, for an officer it means a salute. When we were trained in dealing with foreign officials, to include Monarchs, it was very clear, you do not bow before anyone. If a schmuck PFC can understand that, I see no reason why his commander in chief cannot?

Going to another country and expecting them to speak English? Again, speak for yourself.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I gotta say, having this little dude as his chief of staff is a good move for Obama and his policies, but personally he scares the hell out of me:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/16/us...l.html?_r=1&hp

Haha...as soon as I read little dude, I knew you were talking about Rahm. I met him once and believe me he is a little dude, but for some reason people don't take him lightly at all. Pretty intense dude.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

First of all, when you say us darned arrogant Americans you need to speak for yourself.

Second, the President of the United States doesn't bow before anyone, nor does any American. Showing respect means a handshake, for an officer it means a salute. When we were trained in dealing with foreign officials, to include Monarchs, it was very clear, you do not bow before anyone. If a schmuck PFC can understand that, I see no reason why his commander in chief cannot?

Going to another country and expecting them to speak English? Again, speak for yourself.

Who says exactly?

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by saden1

Pssst, The Founders bowed as they begged European monarchs for money and weapons. Obama's bow signifies nothing beyond a bow out of respect.

So you admit that he bowed? Will that's a start. Leave it to you to denigrate Benjamin Franklin. Those same Founders you speak of were only a Declaration away from being under a Monarch. Most of them, if not all of them were born under a King. If you condone Obama doing it, that means you would do the same. What's your excuse?

I would like to give you the benefit of doubt in that you've probably never been trained to deal with foreign dignitaries, but that is suspect.

I think that the truth is that you're a self-loathing liberal. Your solution is to inflate your own ego and to dismiss or slander those who question your superior benevolence. Anything less than that would be an admission of your own insecurity.

Make no mistake about it. People around the world and inside this country hate your guts. The reason is this. Progressives and liberals in general, think they are smart enough and have the right to be third parties in the affairs of others. Whether it's health care, bombing Serbs, or telling Arabs and Jews how to run their countries, liberals stick their noses in other people's shit.

No one minds the guy who goes to work, pays his bills, obeys the law, and minds his own business. These are the same folks who have to pay the price for progressive eff ups in blood and in money. I'll give Obama a pass since he's used to kissing his consigliere's ring. You on the other hand . . . .

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

So you admit that he bowed? Will that's a start. Leave it to you to denigrate Benjamin Franklin. Those same Founders you speak of were only a Declaration away from being under a Monarch. Most of them, if not all of them were born under a King. If you condone Obama doing it, that means you would do the same. What's your excuse?

I would like to give you the benefit of doubt in that you've probably never been trained to deal with foreign dignitaries, but that is suspect.

I think that the truth is that you're a self-loathing liberal. Your solution is to inflate your own ego and to dismiss or slander those who question your superior benevolence. Anything less than that would be an admission of your own insecurity.

Make no mistake about it. People around the world and inside this country hate your guts. The reason is this. Progressives and liberals in general, think they are smart enough and have the right to be third parties in the affairs of others. Whether it's health care, bombing Serbs, or telling Arabs and Jews how to run their countries, liberals stick their noses in other people's shit.

No one minds the guy who goes to work, pays his bills, obeys the law, and minds his own business. These are the same folks who have to pay the price for progressive eff ups in blood and in money. I'll give Obama a pass since he's used to kissing his consigliere's ring. You on the other hand . . . .

You're hardly in a position to do much of anything let alone give me the benefit of the doubt seeing that you've never been outside your neck of the woods and hardly know anything.

Don't whine to me fella, I don't care for anything you stand for! There are people out there that will though so go grab your poster signs and stand in the street corner and tell them the evilness of the progressive. Maybe then, just maybe, you'll get enough people to take this country back. Good luck.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Who says exactly?

A fella named Pride Ignorance.

[12thMan]

Why can't we all just get along?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I gotta say, having this little dude as his chief of staff is a good move for Obama and his policies, but personally he scares the hell out of me:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/16/us...l.html?_r=1&hp

Interesting read...I too would want him in my corner.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Why can't we all just get along?

We do when our interests align (Redskins)?

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Who says exactly?

I don't know of the Civic Code. The race is coming on and I don't feel like looking it up. For military personel it is the (American) Armed Forces Code of Conduct. A military officer or enlisted man who bowed before a King would be brought before NJP at the least.

The President doesn't bow for the same reason that the flag is not lowered, dignity. He isn't just some schmuck off the street. He is the representative of this Republic. When he bows he does so on our behalf.

(Taken from U.S. Code, Title 10, Chapter 36, Sec. 176. Respect for flag)
No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.

Is the Flag more important than the President?

A bow, courtsey, or kow-tow isn't a sign of respect. It is a sign of subservience. Should you choose to do so means you are subservient.

Choose the sign of serfdom if you will, an American should only bow before God. If this doesn't make sense to you, I am disheartened at your understanding of patriotism.