Redskins Patriots game thread.

[53Fan]

Maybe Zorns going deep now because he can.

[tootergray34]

Originally Posted by 09AFTacoma

campbell is a scrub get him off the field.. Brennan would already have 300 yards and 4 TDs by now..

congrats on your baby, i was born at pope air force base.

[tootergray34]

this is what happens when morons try to explain the wonders of pre-season. yes Marko looked incredible, but what would he do if he was in there with the first stringers? All of his action...or let's say a solid majority has been in the 2nd half when he is playing vs. watered down competition. Oh...and beating Carlos Rogers in practice doesn't count, Rogers is an awful corner.

I felt the real story about tonights game, was our lack of secondary play, minus Horton who I feel is going to emerge as a leader out here, Hall looked mediocre...certainly for the amount of money we are paying him, and I can't even remember the last time I saw Landry pop somebody. Seriously...I read an article prepping Landry to be the next Ed Reed...while that may sound crazy he could actually do it if people feared him. Like a certain someone who used to wear #21 out there.

Overall I was pleased, but i'd like our Offense to sustain drives and give our Defense a break, I feel the biggest reason we trailed off our success last year is our starting O not being able to give our D a good enough rest.

[SirClintonPortis]

I liked what Phil Simms said about Zorn and Campbell:(paraphrasing from memory here) Zorn said he drew up new plays to take advantage of the fact Campbell has a big arm and can stretch the field with ease.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Maybe Zorns going deep now because he can.

That may certainly be true considering the sudden coming of age with the wideouts.

[killromo]

Originally Posted by tootergray34

this is what happens when morons try to explain the wonders of pre-season. yes Marko looked incredible, but what would he do if he was in there with the first stringers? All of his action...or let's say a solid majority has been in the 2nd half when he is playing vs. watered down competition. Oh...and beating Carlos Rogers in practice doesn't count, Rogers is an awful corner.

Marko looked good sticking with the play and blocking downfield for Cooley's big catch and run. He tied up 2 guys and definitely was responsible for at least 20-25 yards of that YAC for Cooley. Consequently that play was with the first team. It made me happy to see him not just catching balls but contributing in other ways, he is definitely a keeper. Maybe this year's nice surprise like Horton was last year.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

That may certainly be true considering the sudden coming of age with the wideouts.

The fact that the receivers were consistently running wide open was one of my biggest takeaways from last night. Looks like Zorn might know what he's doing when it comes to the play calling and the receivers are doing a good job of route running. I'm sure Campbell will become more consistent with deeper passes as long as they keep dialing them up. Practice makes perfect.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by killromo

Marko looked good sticking with the play and blocking downfield for Cooley's big catch and run. He tied up 2 guys and definitely was responsible for at least 20-25 yards of that YAC for Cooley. Consequently that play was with the first team. It made me happy to see him not just catching balls but contributing in other ways, he is definitely a keeper. Maybe this year's nice surprise like Horton was last year.

Good call. Downfield blocking is something we haven't done a good job of, so it's good to see the rookie taking it seriously. Another reason size is such a plus at the WR position. Maybe he'll motivate the starters. Maybe we'll see some Portis bust some long runs as a result.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

I do agree...it is nice to have not only 2 but now 3 legit young guy alll big guys that will be taking over the reigns.

I see it this way....MOSS #1, Marko Mitchell # 2....ARE in the slot... and the slacker #2's pissed off on the bench waiting for an opportunity.

I would love for Mitchell to get significant starter reps...is is likely?
No, but this guy brings it on game day...his touches are TDs....the guy is money...who give a crap...Cooley is Money...we love him, Santana is Money....what the freak?
Portis is amazing....Marko Mitchell seems to be a playmaker.
If I were Zorn, I'd line him up #2 in the last preseason game to see what he can do.

Devon Thomas made ok improvement, albeit slow and steady.
Malcolm Kelly, who had a leg up on #2, went backwards, missing a couple key receptions, one being a TD....however, his ability and progress has been steady.

The reality is this.
We wont see a significant improvement in passing game stats until mid season unless marko mitchell is engaged immediately within the final week of preseason...in my opinion

We officially have FIREPOWER! Pro-bowl caliber players - Sellers, Moss, Portis, Samuels, Cooley mixed in with our young talent - Kelly, Thomas, Mitchell, Davis. If Campbell plays like he did last night and Zorn stays aggressive with the play calling, this Offense should easily average 20 a game. We play some pansies in the first 6 games, so we'll know early on what kind of Offense we've got.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

I will say it again, since I slammed Zorn mid-seaon last year.

Zorn adapted to Campbell strengths...deep ball, play action....I'd never thought I'd see it...it resulted in a 7-0 start....this aint no west-coast crap.

Now...I am skeptical that one preseason game adjustment means much considering he didn't adust at all last season but based on JC's comments on how thrilled he was to go deep on the Steelers last week....combined with the amazing deep success with Santana's acrobatic deep catch abilitiy plus enzone pass interference...hopefully Zorn gets it....
The redskins team is built for one thing....
Defense
Running
Deep passing play action.

Like it or not, this is a Gibbs squad.
We need to adjust the system to maximize the capabilities of our player.
Kudos to Jim Zorn for not trying to force a square peg through a round hole...
Nice adjustment MR Zorn!

you need to do more work Mr Blache.

I agree. They seemed to struggle when they went back to the short passing attack. 3rd and 3 doesn't mean you have to throw 4 yards to Moss, although he shouldn't have dropped that pass. I hope they gain enough confidence to go over the top once in a while when it's third and short (a la the Colts).

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm not tossing in the towel on ARE yet. I think he's still going to be a solid contributor.

I concur. In the slot and when they display the occasional trickeration. He ran a great route when Campbell got it to him in the middle of the field. If it weren't for a shoe-string tackle, it would have been a huge gain. He still has some spring in his step.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by mooby

As for Brady/Moss playing us with ease, well we didn't have Rogers out there tonight so hopefully his return will make that difference that we need. Other than the first team defense getting pushed around (but honestly that's nitpicking because we didn't have our #1 corner against the league's best QB/WR combo) I liked what I saw. Campbell and the offense played strong which was my biggest concern. I'm not too concerned with the Brennan/Daniel 3rd qb battle because I hope neither of them will see the field this year, but if I had to say I'd probably say that it's a tossup, I haven't seen enough of Daniel and Brennan ain't done much besides comeback from that pick-6 to throw a nice td to Marko Mitchell.

The D will be fine. The Pats have arguably the best Offense of all time. This is the same group that shattered every Offensive record just 2 years ago. They weathered the storm, made some adjustments, squished Brady, etc. The O will get the 3 and outs under control I'm sure.

[skinsfan69]

Lot's of positives and negatives. 3 straight 3 and outs was terrible but I love the way we hung in there and came back. If that was last year the game was over. The pass rush was weak. Haynesworth looks like he needs to get into better shape. When he got double teamed NO ONE could get any pressure. Daniels and Carter need to be spelled some with the younger guys. Smoot played his ass off. When JC had time he was throwing the ball like a mad man. I hope he goes out and has a career year. Marko Mitchell is for real!!!!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Lot's of positives and negatives. 3 straight 3 and outs was terrible but I love the way we hung in there and came back. If that was last year the game was over. The pass rush was weak. Haynesworth looks like he needs to get into better shape. When he got double teamed NO ONE could get any pressure. Daniels and Carter need to be spelled some with the younger guys. Smoot played his ass off. When JC had time he was throwing the ball like a mad man. I hope he goes out and has a career year. Marko Mitchell is for real!!!!

Agreed. Good post.

[Monkeydad]

I was very impressed by JC this game...so happy he finally shut up the critics, at least for one night.

He'll have a great year.

I am very proud of the whole team, last time we faced the Pats, we were killed on both sides of the ball. If our starters played the whole game, we could have beaten them. Portis would have also been a bonus that we didn't even need to keep up with them in the first half.

I blame Suisham for the loss. "But it was 52 yards and wet!" Yeah, he never hits 50+ yarders, regardless of the weather. He never could and obviously never will. He's paid to make these kicks and if he can't...goodbye. Rayner looked great on kickoffs and even though his FG was shorter, he made it. I saw cut Suisham, we've seen what he can and can't do for too long.

Colt is making BAD red zone decisions, but otherwise looks good, he's able to take us into the red zone. He won't hit the field anyways, so he could still be a good future backup since he'll have this season to work on decision-making. The physical abilities are obviously solid.

Chase is such a tough QB to say we have to cut...he's going to be picked up by someone if we do and has just as much promise as Brennan.

I can't decide between the QBs. I am leaning Brennan, but it's too close to call.