Tebow: Is he the Redskins solution?

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

Florida QB's are productive college QB's but they seem to falter on the professional level. We've already had our taste of Florida QB's when we had Shane Mathews and Danny Wuerrful. I hate to say it but we could use Michael Vick, I mean, who else is out there?

The whole "past QB's from UF didnt do well so that means other wont" arguement is pretty stupid to me. Joe Montana came from ND, does this mean that ND churns out top NFL QB's every few yrs? NO.
I agree that UF hasnt put a great QB in the NFL to this point but it doesnt mean that all future UF QB's are destined to bust in the pros. I like Tebow, i think he is a great player. Im not saying he will come in and be the next Marino but i think he can be a solid player.

[Kalisto2010]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

I agree that UF hasnt put a great QB in the NFL to this point but it doesnt mean that all future UF QB's are destined to bust in the pros.

No, but it does mean everyone who's come out of there so far has under performed in NFL. And based on that assessment I would exercise extreme caution before investing a high draft pick in a Florida QB.

[Rajmahal33]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

The whole "past QB's from UF didnt do well so that means other wont" arguement is pretty stupid to me. Joe Montana came from ND, does this mean that ND churns out top NFL QB's every few yrs? NO.
I agree that UF hasnt put a great QB in the NFL to this point but it doesnt mean that all future UF QB's are destined to bust in the pros. I like Tebow, i think he is a great player. Im not saying he will come in and be the next Marino but i think he can be a solid player.

I think what he was saying with the past QB's from UF flopping implies a trend of something in their system that creates a propensity for failure at the NFL level...to add to his list, Rex Grossman, Chris Leak...

By arguing the negative as a counterpoint (i.e. Notre Dame + Joe Montana = QB factory) you are committing a logical fallacy. Just b/c one implies the other doesn't mean the opposite is true.

Look, I think a much more sound way of debunking that past UF QB's theory is by arguing that the success rate of ANY college QB is low and since UF players have that much more national exposure and hype coming into the draft, the failures of their QB's tend to be magnified. However, it is somewhat telling that there is a pretty long line of failures with very few success stories to balance the equation. Compound that with the fact that they get some real quality guys coming out of high school and, statistically speaking, one would figure at least one of those guys would be a real hit. Thus far it hasn't happened, IMO, but that's not to say it won't ever happen. Who knows maybe over the next decade they could churn out QB's like USC did in the last decade?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

I think what he was saying with the past QB's from UF flopping implies a trend of something in their system that creates a propensity for failure at the NFL level...to add to his list, Rex Grossman, Chris Leak...

By arguing the negative as a counterpoint (i.e. Notre Dame + Joe Montana = QB factory) you are committing a logical fallacy. Just b/c one implies the other doesn't mean the opposite is true.

Look, I think a much more sound way of debunking that past UF QB's theory is by arguing that the success rate of ANY college QB is low and since UF players have that much more national exposure and hype coming into the draft, the failures of their QB's tend to be magnified. However, it is somewhat telling that there is a pretty long line of failures with very few success stories to balance the equation. Compound that with the fact that they get some real quality guys coming out of high school and, statistically speaking, one would figure at least one of those guys would be a real hit. Thus far it hasn't happened, IMO, but that's not to say it won't ever happen. Who knows maybe over the next decade they could churn out QB's like USC did in the last decade?

That was an excellent demonstration of critical thinking - (that is a good thing!)

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

I think what he was saying with the past QB's from UF flopping implies a trend of something in their system that creates a propensity for failure at the NFL level...to add to his list, Rex Grossman, Chris Leak...

By arguing the negative as a counterpoint (i.e. Notre Dame + Joe Montana = QB factory) you are committing a logical fallacy. Just b/c one implies the other doesn't mean the opposite is true.

Look, I think a much more sound way of debunking that past UF QB's theory is by arguing that the success rate of ANY college QB is low and since UF players have that much more national exposure and hype coming into the draft, the failures of their QB's tend to be magnified. However, it is somewhat telling that there is a pretty long line of failures with very few success stories to balance the equation. Compound that with the fact that they get some real quality guys coming out of high school and, statistically speaking, one would figure at least one of those guys would be a real hit. Thus far it hasn't happened, IMO, but that's not to say it won't ever happen. Who knows maybe over the next decade they could churn out QB's like USC did in the last decade?

Excellent argument, Rajmahal.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

I think what he was saying with the past QB's from UF flopping implies a trend of something in their system that creates a propensity for failure at the NFL level...to add to his list, Rex Grossman, Chris Leak...

By arguing the negative as a counterpoint (i.e. Notre Dame + Joe Montana = QB factory) you are committing a logical fallacy. Just b/c one implies the other doesn't mean the opposite is true.

Look, I think a much more sound way of debunking that past UF QB's theory is by arguing that the success rate of ANY college QB is low and since UF players have that much more national exposure and hype coming into the draft, the failures of their QB's tend to be magnified. However, it is somewhat telling that there is a pretty long line of failures with very few success stories to balance the equation. Compound that with the fact that they get some real quality guys coming out of high school and, statistically speaking, one would figure at least one of those guys would be a real hit. Thus far it hasn't happened, IMO, but that's not to say it won't ever happen. Who knows maybe over the next decade they could churn out QB's like USC did in the last decade?

I think the Florida QB "curse" is legitimate. Why? Simple, in college, the offense still has a bigger edge than in the pros. The fun n gun and its variants can make even an average to above average QB look great. Florida was becoming a power before Spurrier under Galen Hall, Spurrier was the one who got the over the "hump" in becoming a true national power. None of Hall's or Spurrier's QBs really did anything in the pros. Tebow is more athletic than any other Florida QB in recent memory, but the guy is way overhyped. As for USC and their QB's? That is a mixed bag. Yeah you have Leinhart and Palmer, but that is it. Remember Sean Salisbury? Rodney Pete was OK for awhile, but was a bench warmer for the most part. Palmer is an injury waiting to happen and Leinhart had an old geezer beat him out!!!!