Now What??

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Well someone has to get fired....I think Snyder would get hugely popular if he fired Cerrato, but we know that's not going to happen.

The problem is firing Cerrato does not fix the offensive issues. It would only help us next yr. It would not help us right now. It's a start yes but won't fix our issues right now.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

The problem is firing Cerrato does not fix the offensive issues. It would only help us next yr. It would not help us right now. It's a start yes but won't fix our issues right now.

It won't, but there's a guy on another thread saying that he could care less if Zorn stays, but that Cerrato must go.

Honestly, I don't know why people have to put blame on ONE thing, and one thing only. Firing just Cerrato or firing just Zorn, or getting rid of ONE player won't change things. There needs to be changes all throughout this team, because it seems that all the areas from the top down have issues.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

The problem is firing Cerrato does not fix the offensive issues. It would only help us next yr. It would not help us right now. It's a start yes but won't fix our issues right now.

Cerrato needs to be let go and there needs to be an emphasis that Cerrato #2 not be waiting in the wings to take over.

The next player personnel man needs to be a man like Marty Schott who says "If the owner attempts to alter the roster or influence it then pay me the rest of my contract because you will have just fired me"

Remember when Marty had that clause in his contract? That guy was before his time. Snyder couldn't stomach that for more than a season though...that mark ass buster!

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Cerrato needs to be let go and there needs to be an emphasis that Cerrato #2 not be waiting in the wings to take over.

The next player personnel man needs to be a man like Marty Schott who says "If the owner attempts to alter the roster or influence it then pay me the rest of my contract because you will have just fired me"

Remember when Marty had that clause in his contract? That guy was before his time. Snyder couldn't stomach that for more than a season though...that mark ass buster!

I think you're putting a lot of faith on Dan Snyder changing his ways...I hope it does, realisticly I doubt this will happen.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Cerrato needs to be let go and there needs to be an emphasis that Cerrato #2 not be waiting in the wings to take over.

The next player personnel man needs to be a man like Marty Schott who says "If the owner attempts to alter the roster or influence it then pay me the rest of my contract because you will have just fired me"

Remember when Marty had that clause in his contract? That guy was before his time. Snyder couldn't stomach that for more than a season though...that mark ass buster!

Let me try this another way.....

How does firing Cerrato now help us out now? What will it do to change our enemic offense? and our lack of a pass rush by our defense? or help out the secondary?

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Let me try this another way.....

How does firing Cerrato now help us out now? What will it do to change our enemic offense? and our lack of a pass rush by our defense? or help out the secondary?

It doesn't...

We need a come to Jesus moment and we need Snyder to repent hardcore. Nobody said it had to be easy. We have to undo what's been done and that will take a through cleaning of the previous mess.

We just lost to the lions so the expectations for this year certainly are not great. Blow up the front office now...there won't be another draft for 8 months...we should be good.

What's the worst that can happen...we lose to the lions?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

It doesn't...

We need a come to Jesus moment and we need Snyder to repent hardcore. Nobody said it had to be easy. We have to undo what's been done and that will take a through cleaning of the previous mess.

We just lost to the lions so the expectations for this year certainly are not great. Blow up the front office now...there won't be another draft for 8 months...we should be good.

What's the worst that can happen...we lose to the lions?

Man, and I though I was very optimistic about things.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Man, and I though I was very optimistic about things.

We could go with your live demo-ops plan I guess?

Either way it will be difficult and messy : )

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

We could go with your live demo-ops plan I guess?

Either way it will be difficult and messy : )

Come to think of it, I think my "start from scratch" plan also depends on Snyder changing his ways....I guess I'm being delusional.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

It doesn't...

We need a come to Jesus moment and we need Snyder to repent hardcore. Nobody said it had to be easy. We have to undo what's been done and that will take a through cleaning of the previous mess.

We just lost to the lions so the expectations for this year certainly are not great. Blow up the front office now...there won't be another draft for 8 months...we should be good.

What's the worst that can happen...we lose to the lions?

If your looking to fix the problem at the moment I can tell you it's not Vinny. Our issues right now stem from the HC down. I think we have talented players on this roster. I think they could and should be playing as good or better then the other teams in our division. Unfortunatly we are not and the question is why? Apparently the HC does not have the answer. So at this point I would bring in Holmgren cause Zorn is a product of Holmgren. Perhaps Holmgren can point out to Zorn where the issues lie. Perhaps he can help him with his play calling. Perhaps its Zorn himself. Holmgren needs to be able to inform DS where the problems lie.

As for JC? I'm done. His time limit has come and gone for me. I like him as a person. He's nice but his issues still remain:

He locks on to his receivers
He throws to the wrong receivers not the one open
I still think he can't read defenses
He only trusts 3 people on this team(Cooley, Portis, Moss)
He doesn't pump fake anywhere else to throw off the D

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

As for JC? I'm done. His time limit has come and gone for me. I like him as a person. He's nice but his issues still remain:

He locks on to his receivers
He throws to the wrong receivers not the one open
I still think he can't read defenses
He only trusts 3 people on this team(Cooley, Portis, Moss)
He doesn't pump fake anywhere else to throw off the D

But, considering you didn't mention any of the things that Campbell is actually struggling with, can we just assume you're guessing in the dark?

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

But, considering you didn't mention any of the things that Campbell is actually struggling with, can we just assume you're guessing in the dark?

I didn't say they were the accurate issues. I said these were the problems I see with JC. Now again I'm not a coach, but at this point I would be changing out JC to try to make a statement and maybe ignite a fire. that anyone can get benched at this point.

If you see other issues with the QB feel free to share, but don't point out O-line issues when I was simply talking about JC's issues. Unless you don't think JC has issues.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

If your looking to fix the problem at the moment I can tell you it's not Vinny. Our issues right now stem from the HC down. I think we have talented players on this roster. I think they could and should be playing as good or better then the other teams in our division. Unfortunatly we are not and the question is why? Apparently the HC does not have the answer. So at this point I would bring in Holmgren cause Zorn is a product of Holmgren. Perhaps Holmgren can point out to Zorn where the issues lie. Perhaps he can help him with his play calling. Perhaps its Zorn himself. Holmgren needs to be able to inform DS where the problems lie.

As for JC? I'm done. His time limit has come and gone for me. I like him as a person. He's nice but his issues still remain:

He locks on to his receivers
He throws to the wrong receivers not the one open
I still think he can't read defenses
He only trusts 3 people on this team(Cooley, Portis, Moss)
He doesn't pump fake anywhere else to throw off the D

IMO we just don't have the players. We've had this group now for a while....Moss, Portis, Cooley, JC, Carter, ARE, Daniels, Griff, Landry, Samuels, Thomas, Rabach, Rogers, Smoot, Rocky...these for the most part are our core players and since they've been on the team we've been average to below average.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

IMO we just don't have the players. We've had this group now for a while....Moss, Portis, Cooley, JC, Carter, ARE, Daniels, Griff, Landry, Samuels, Thomas, Rabach, Rogers, Smoot, Rocky...these for the most part are our core players and since they've been on the team we've been average to below average.

Amen. But no matter how long they fail to produce, you still have many people who think these players are truly superstars, that we have "so much talent".

It's just not there folks.