Lighten Up On Snyder

[SmootSmack]

We'll probably end up with Shanahan or Cowher in full control. And that will make everyone thrilled because it's not Cerrato. But it ignores the fact that Shanahan has been a terrible general manager and Cowher has never even been one.

Cerrato has done a lot in revamping the front office and scouting department the past two off-seasons and has done a decent job in the draft with the picks he has had to work with. The onus is on him entirely for the Taylor trade but it wasn't VC that pushed for the Redskins to send multiple picks for Duckett and Lloyd.

The smartest thing for the Redskins to do in my opinion (short of bringing Marty back!!! ) is to promote the well-regarded and respected Morocco Brown to General Manager and keep the scouting staff largely in tact.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

We'll probably end up with Shanahan or Cowher in full control. And that will make everyone thrilled because it's not Cerrato. But it ignores the fact that Shanahan has been a terrible general manager and Cowher has never even been one.

Cerrato has done a lot in revamping the front office and scouting department the past two off-seasons and has done a decent job in the draft with the picks he has had to work with. The onus is on him entirely for the Taylor trade but it wasn't VC that pushed for the Redskins to send multiple picks for Duckett and Lloyd.

The smartest thing for the Redskins to do in my opinion (short of bringing Marty back!!! ) is to promote the well-regarded and respected Morocco Brown to General Manager and keep the scouting staff largely in tact.

I just spewed in my mouth...eeeww...I had spaghetti too...nasty.

That sounds great but what are we trying to keep together? The Joe Gibbs Head Coached w/ Co-Head Coach Gregg Williams team from 2007?...We're a long ways away from 2007 and what was left of Joe Gibbs team is certainly long gone now. Enough with the patch work elements to an outdated Joe Gibbs team from 2007.

Let's place a competitive NFL football team on the field. I don't mind losing games as long as we had a competitive chance to win them. Giants can crush us every year like they have been but if it's down to the wire every game and we're competitive I know we have something we can work towards.

There's nothing to work towards under that structure. Just the same old patch job setting fans up for the hype of the offseason and the dissapointment during post-season.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

I just spewed in my mouth...eeeww...I had spaghetti too...nasty.

That sounds great but what are we trying to keep together? The Joe Gibbs Head Coached w/ Co-Head Coach Gregg Williams team from 2007?...We're a long ways away from 2007 and what was left of Joe Gibbs team is certainly long gone now. Enough with the patch work elements to an outdated Joe Gibbs team from 2007.

Let's place a competitive NFL football team on the field. I don't mind losing games as long as we had a competitive chance to win them. Giants can crush us every year like they have been but if it's down to the wire every game and we're competitive I know we have something we can work towards.

There's nothing to work towards under that structure. Just the same old patch job setting fans up for the hype of the offseason and the dissapointment during post-season.

I don't follow

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't follow

How many assistant coaches are here from the Gibbs and Gregg Williams era? Probably half is the answer.

Snyder even said himself that he wanted to keep the Gibbs coaching staff largely in place because the team "was close". Well...we are obviously not close and now we should be cleaning the remenants of Vinny Cerrato & Joe Gibbs 2.0 and setting up new GM in place for HIS hire of a new coach and staff.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

How many assistant coaches are here from the Gibbs and Gregg Williams era? Probably half is the answer.

Snyder even said himself that he wanted to keep the Gibbs coaching staff largely in place because the team "was close". Well...we are obviously not close and now we should be cleaning the remenants of Gibbs 2.0 and setting up new GM in place for HIS hire of a new coach and staff.

Well I wasn't talking about the coaches, I was talking about the scouts

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well I wasn't talking about the coaches, I was talking about the scouts

I hear that, but Cerrato put that scouting staff together. I really don't want any Vinny remenants leftover in the club after he is gone.

Vinny just symbolizes Snyder's hands in operations to me.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

I hear that, but Cerrato put that scouting staff together. I really don't want any Vinny remenants leftover in the club after he is gone.

Vinny just symbolizes Snyder's hands in operations to me.

I see. So just fire every front office exec and scout that Vinny and Gibbs brought in over the past few years? Just totally clean house?

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

We'll probably end up with Shanahan or Cowher in full control. And that will make everyone thrilled because it's not Cerrato. But it ignores the fact that Shanahan has been a terrible general manager and Cowher has never even been one.

Cerrato has done a lot in revamping the front office and scouting department the past two off-seasons and has done a decent job in the draft with the picks he has had to work with. The onus is on him entirely for the Taylor trade but it wasn't VC that pushed for the Redskins to send multiple picks for Duckett and Lloyd.

The smartest thing for the Redskins to do in my opinion (short of bringing Marty back!!! ) is to promote the well-regarded and respected Morocco Brown to General Manager and keep the scouting staff largely in tact.

I agree that VC has improved or at least given the illusion of doing so. BUT, if we promote the legendary Morocco, we still have JZ, and I am not sure he can get "it" if ever? To be fair, how many asst's need to go?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I agree that VC has improved or at least given the illusion of doing so. BUT, if we promote the legendary Morocco, we still have JZ, and I am not sure he can get "it" if ever? To be fair, how many asst's need to go?

Well yeah I would send Zorn on his way, or at the least force him to hire a proven play caller.

Brown isn't tied to Zorn

[beemnsevenspop]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

We'll probably end up with Shanahan or Cowher in full control. And that will make everyone thrilled because it's not Cerrato. But it ignores the fact that Shanahan has been a terrible general manager and Cowher has never even been one.

Cerrato has done a lot in revamping the front office and scouting department the past two off-seasons and has done a decent job in the draft with the picks he has had to work with. The onus is on him entirely for the Taylor trade but it wasn't VC that pushed for the Redskins to send multiple picks for Duckett and Lloyd.

The smartest thing for the Redskins to do in my opinion (short of bringing Marty back!!! ) is to promote the well-regarded and respected Morocco Brown to General Manager and keep the scouting staff largely in tact.

Beathard baby, BEATHARD!!!!!!

[dgack]

Originally Posted by beemnsevenspop

Beathard baby, BEATHARD!!!!!!

For real, I know I can't be the only one who thinks the point at which the team really fell apart was when Bobby left, not when Joe did.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

We'll probably end up with Shanahan or Cowher in full control. And that will make everyone thrilled because it's not Cerrato. But it ignores the fact that Shanahan has been a terrible general manager and Cowher has never even been one.

Cerrato has done a lot in revamping the front office and scouting department the past two off-seasons and has done a decent job in the draft with the picks he has had to work with. The onus is on him entirely for the Taylor trade but it wasn't VC that pushed for the Redskins to send multiple picks for Duckett and Lloyd.

The smartest thing for the Redskins to do in my opinion (short of bringing Marty back!!! ) is to promote the well-regarded and respected Morocco Brown to General Manager and keep the scouting staff largely in tact.

This is the last statement I'm going to make on this subject, but just one thing on the Jason Taylor trade.

For me it was not so much the trade itself, rather the reason Cerrato gave to reporters in an interview when asked why he made it. He said [quote] "The morale of the team in the lockeroom went thud and felt he needed to do something to inflate the teams spirits after the loss of Daniels" [unquote]. Now you may beg to disagree and I won't fault you for doing so, but don't you feel that to be a rather odd reason for trading away what could possibly have turned out to be a starting player here for years to come? We're talking about a 37yr. old DE with diminishing returns being the reason for a decision that could so drastically affect the way you draft for the future. Hard to believe a player so far to the downside of his career could have such an impact on your lockeroom.

This is just one example of why the leadership of this team should not be trusted to people blessed with such shallow insight, plus Jason Taylor was never going to be a good fit for the defense.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

This is the last statement I'm going to make on this subject, but just one thing on the Jason Taylor trade.

For me it was not so much the trade itself, rather the reason Cerrato gave to reporters in an interview when asked why he made it. He said "The morale of the team in the lockeroom went thud and felt he needed to do something to inflate the teams spirits after the loss of Daniels". Now you may beg to disagree and I won't fault you for doing so, but don't you feel that to be a rather odd reason for trading away what could possibly have turned out to be a starting player here for years to come? We're talking about a 37yr. old DE with diminishing returns being the reason for a decision that could so drastically affect the way you draft for the future. Hard to believe a player so far to the downside of his career could have such an impact on your lockeroom.

This is just one example of why the leadership of this team should not be trusted to people blessed with such shallow insight, plus Jason Taylor was never going to be a good fit for the defense.

Another interesting thing about that quote is, isn't that something your coach should be responsible for? Isn't that why head coaches are in the position they are because they improve facets of the team like morale?

And being that he was in charge of the Zorn hiring he's basically saying "The coach I brought in isn't good enough to inspire confidence in the depleted team I left him"


There are so many points of failure just in that one statement alone...good point out LongTimeFan.

[Paintrain]

I'm not defending Snyder by any means for some of his choices and decisions. I feel like he wants to win, above all things. He is a good/great businessman but seems to lack a lot of common decency and respect for the everyman.

I took a look from a football standpoint as his record in comparison to those I consider his peers, owners who took control of their teams between 1995-2002. You may be surprised how he stacks up in winning percentage and head coaches (not including interim coaches).

Robert Kraft (1994) 152-82, 65.8% winning percentage (3 Super Bowl wins, 5 Super Bowl appearances, 3 head coaches)
Jeff Lurie (1994) 137-103-1, 57.3% winning percentage (1 Super Bowl appearance, 3 head coaches)
Malcolm Glazer (1995) 113-111-1, 50.6% winning percentage (1 Super Bowl win, 1 Super Bowl appearance, 4 head coaches)
Paul Allen (1997) 101-101, 50% winning percentage (1 Super Bowl appearance, 3 head coaches)
Dan Snyder (1999) 76-84, 47.5% winning percentage (5 head coaches)
John York (2000) 60-84, 41.6% winning percentage (4 head coaches)
Woody Johnson (2000) 71-73, 49.3% winning percentage (4 head coaches)
Arthur Blank (2002) 55-73, 42.9% winning percentage (4 head coaches)
Al Lerner (2002) 42-86, 32.8% winning percentage (4 head coaches)

Snyder doesn't have us where we should be or want us to be, but one of the things that it seems is that he's not as bad as portrayed nationally or locally. It's ironic that we never hear about a quick trigger for York, Johnson, Blank or Lerner but they've changed coaches at a similar or higher rate than Snyder.

Hopefully the next move he makes will be to bring in a President of Football Operations to evaluate and determine the course for our franchises future.

[SFREDSKIN]

I'm all for bringing back Casserly or giving Morocco Brown a chance even though he's unproven but has been identified as a smart talent evaluator. Maybe Brown could turn out to be like Jerry Reese, who I think is currently the best young GM in the business.