this year foreshadowing next year's defense?

skinster · 10-23-2009, 05:57 PM

Just something that i thought of, but I think there are strong clues signaling that we will switch to a 3-4 next year. Greg Blache is probably not coming back next year due to his age/commitment issues he mentioned in the offseason/health. So we will have a new coordinator. We had a top 5 ranked defense last year with a bad offense, but we insisted on getting defensive players with all our big moves (haynesworth-nosetackle, orakpo-olb, jarmon-DE/OLB). We seemed to have some holes in our defense if we wanted to switch to the 3-4, and I believe that these 3 players perfectly fill those holes (Olb and NT...and DE for when Daniels gets too old)

Also, the fact that we have moved orakpo and wilson to olb was a head scratcher to just about everyone, but I believe that that we are trying to teach them how to stand up for the switch to the 3-4. The 3-4 has been significantly more successful than the 4-3 in recent years, I think that Danny and Vinny are big stat guys and are trying to switch to what works the best. Denver and Green Bay's wildly successful transitions this year i believe will convince us that it is the move to make.

munny · 10-23-2009, 06:02 PM

We put Orakpo in at OLB because he is undersized for an end. He needs more body to stand up against the run, but from the OLB spot he keeps the first level guys off of him more often and can use his speed. While I agree that Orakpo would make a good LB in a 2-4, Haynesworth does not. He is a 4-3 guy and would be a waste of the overpayment we gave him to ask him to simply be the plug in a 3-4.

SmootSmack · 10-23-2009, 06:04 PM

This thread reminds me of this

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...ht=3-4+defense

WaldSkins · 10-23-2009, 06:05 PM

Soooooooooooo Many New Threads. YYYYYYYYAAAAAAAWWWWWWNNNNN!!!

skinster · 10-23-2009, 06:10 PM

I know that there have been many 3-4 defense threads in the past. All I'm trying to say is that I believe that the FO has already made their decision on what to do. In my mind the evidence of all their recent moves line up for a change.

GTripp0012 · 10-23-2009, 06:15 PM

For the first time in a long time, we have the personnel to run a 3-4 in the future if we so choose. It would, however, require us to replace one of most productive players in Carter next year with another OLB. But we might just end up hiring a coordinator who is well versed in the 3-4. It could go either way right now.

GTripp0012 · 10-23-2009, 06:18 PM

It's worth pointing out that our LBs, with the exception of Fletcher in our base defense (which we run only 5-7 plays per game), already play like a group of 3-4 LBs. Problem being, I'm not sure they are good enough to do it full time.

Our DL can certainly handle it though.

Longtimefan · 10-23-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by skinster

Just something that i thought of, but I think there are strong clues signaling that we will switch to a 3-4 next year. Greg Blache is probably not coming back next year due to his age/commitment issues he mentioned in the offseason/health. So we will have a new coordinator. We had a top 5 ranked defense last year with a bad offense, but we insisted on getting defensive players with all our big moves (haynesworth-nosetackle, orakpo-olb, jarmon-DE/OLB). We seemed to have some holes in our defense if we wanted to switch to the 3-4, and I believe that these 3 players perfectly fill those holes (Olb and NT...and DE for when Daniels gets too old)

Also, the fact that we have moved orakpo and wilson to olb was a head scratcher to just about everyone, but I believe that that we are trying to teach them how to stand up for the switch to the 3-4. The 3-4 has been significantly more successful than the 4-3 in recent years, I think that Danny and Vinny are big stat guys and are trying to switch to what works the best. Denver and Green Bay's wildly successful transitions this year i believe will convince us that it is the move to make.

You could be in for a surprise asuming Haynesworth to be a full time N/T. We would have to see first hand that he'd be willing to embrace the position, and who would play that opsition when he's not in the game. Remember he's only going to play approx. 60% of the D/P.

Further I'm not convinced we have the LB's currently in place for a 3-4 defense. We have converted backers with limited ability to play in space. I would say there are areas needed to be addressed before our defense would be considered 3-4 formidable.

SouperMeister · 10-23-2009, 06:40 PM

Call me traditional, but I've always been a fan of the 4-3. It has worked well for us, not to mention the Giants and Eagles, who also play a 4-3. NFC East football is about running the football on offense, and stopping the run on D. We need to get back to winning games in the trenches, the way Gibbs 1.0 won Super Bowls.

skinster · 10-23-2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Longtimefan

You could be in for a surprise asuming Haynesworth to be a full time N/T. We would have to see first hand that he'd be willing to embrace the position, and who would play that opsition when he's not in the game. Remember he's only going to play approx. 60% of the D/P.

Further I'm not convinced we have the LB's currently in place for a 3-4 defense. We have converted backers with limited ability to play in space. I would say there are areas needed to be addressed before our defense would be considered 3-4 formidable.

I'm not saying that I'm convinced that we have all the pieces in place either. I believe OLB to be lacking (carter apparently did terrible when he was int the 3-4), but I'm just saying that we seem to be assembling the pieces to make the transition.
On a side note, I highly doubt that many 350 lb NT's play more than 60% of the snaps.

warpaint · 10-23-2009, 07:04 PM

How does switching D's effect Big Al's play? What did they play in Tenn?

GTripp0012 · 10-23-2009, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Call me traditional, but I've always been a fan of the 4-3. It has worked well for us, not to mention the Giants and Eagles, who also play a 4-3. NFC East football is about running the football on offense, and stopping the run on D. We need to get back to winning games in the trenches, the way Gibbs 1.0 won Super Bowls.

Well, the importance of play from the defensive front seven is the same no matter what you play, but 3-4 overemphasizes LB play, while 4-3 does the same for the DL. Right now, our DL is far beyond where our LBs are, so a 4-3 system is best. All it takes though, is an exchange of Carter, for say, Shawne Merriman (just an example), and this becomes a perfect 3-4 unit.

JLee9718 · 10-23-2009, 07:22 PM

This thread essentially gives too much credit to Vinny and Snyder for being smart enough to plan the switch. If anything turns out good for the Redskins, it's because of sheer luck, not by any planning on the part of Cerrato and Snyder.

wolfeskins · 10-23-2009, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JLee9718

This thread essentially gives too much credit to Vinny and Snyder for being smart enough to plan the switch. If anything turns out good for the Redskins, it's because of sheer luck, not by any planning on the part of Cerrato and Snyder.

lol, pretty funny.....i agree.

10-23-2009, 05:57 PM	#1
skinster Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 754	this year foreshadowing next year's defense? Just something that i thought of, but I think there are strong clues signaling that we will switch to a 3-4 next year. Greg Blache is probably not coming back next year due to his age/commitment issues he mentioned in the offseason/health. So we will have a new coordinator. We had a top 5 ranked defense last year with a bad offense, but we insisted on getting defensive players with all our big moves (haynesworth-nosetackle, orakpo-olb, jarmon-DE/OLB). We seemed to have some holes in our defense if we wanted to switch to the 3-4, and I believe that these 3 players perfectly fill those holes (Olb and NT...and DE for when Daniels gets too old) Also, the fact that we have moved orakpo and wilson to olb was a head scratcher to just about everyone, but I believe that that we are trying to teach them how to stand up for the switch to the 3-4. The 3-4 has been significantly more successful than the 4-3 in recent years, I think that Danny and Vinny are big stat guys and are trying to switch to what works the best. Denver and Green Bay's wildly successful transitions this year i believe will convince us that it is the move to make.

10-23-2009, 06:02 PM	#2
munny Camp Scrub Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 94	Re: this year foreshadowing next year's defense? We put Orakpo in at OLB because he is undersized for an end. He needs more body to stand up against the run, but from the OLB spot he keeps the first level guys off of him more often and can use his speed. While I agree that Orakpo would make a good LB in a 2-4, Haynesworth does not. He is a 4-3 guy and would be a waste of the overpayment we gave him to ask him to simply be the plug in a 3-4.

10-23-2009, 06:04 PM	#3
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: this year foreshadowing next year's defense? This thread reminds me of this http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...ht=3-4+defense __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-23-2009, 06:05 PM	#4
WaldSkins Playmaker Join Date: May 2007 Location: Harrisburg, PA Age: 41 Posts: 2,726	Re: this year foreshadowing next year's defense? Soooooooooooo Many New Threads. YYYYYYYYAAAAAAAWWWWWWNNNNN!!! __________________ "I would change that around, Jesus isn't Cutler. I guarantee you Jesus couldnt thread the ball like Jay does."-Monksdown

10-23-2009, 06:10 PM	#5
skinster Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 754	Re: this year foreshadowing next year's defense? I know that there have been many 3-4 defense threads in the past. All I'm trying to say is that I believe that the FO has already made their decision on what to do. In my mind the evidence of all their recent moves line up for a change.

10-23-2009, 06:15 PM	#6
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Re: this year foreshadowing next year's defense? For the first time in a long time, we have the personnel to run a 3-4 in the future if we so choose. It would, however, require us to replace one of most productive players in Carter next year with another OLB. But we might just end up hiring a coordinator who is well versed in the 3-4. It could go either way right now. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

10-23-2009, 06:18 PM	#7
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Re: this year foreshadowing next year's defense? It's worth pointing out that our LBs, with the exception of Fletcher in our base defense (which we run only 5-7 plays per game), already play like a group of 3-4 LBs. Problem being, I'm not sure they are good enough to do it full time. Our DL can certainly handle it though. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

10-23-2009, 06:40 PM	#9
SouperMeister Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 60 Posts: 3,419	Re: this year foreshadowing next year's defense? Call me traditional, but I've always been a fan of the 4-3. It has worked well for us, not to mention the Giants and Eagles, who also play a 4-3. NFC East football is about running the football on offense, and stopping the run on D. We need to get back to winning games in the trenches, the way Gibbs 1.0 won Super Bowls.

10-23-2009, 07:04 PM	#11
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10-23-2009, 07:22 PM	#13
JLee9718 Impact Rookie Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 573	Re: this year foreshadowing next year's defense? This thread essentially gives too much credit to Vinny and Snyder for being smart enough to plan the switch. If anything turns out good for the Redskins, it's because of sheer luck, not by any planning on the part of Cerrato and Snyder.

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