Obama Care

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by saden1

I was under the impression that you were tax paying citizen not some poor bum with his hands out. In any case, the way I see it I pool my tax money with others to lower cost and get better coverage. If i end up paying more than average tax payer that's OK.

You're Welcome.

Explain to me how adding approximately 10% of new customers to an already overburdened and flawed system without a plan to expand the ability to provide services will lower costs? Yes, for those w/out coverage, better coverage is a given. For those with coverage, even a poor plan, explain to me how increasing the burden on providers will provide these individuals with "better coverage" either in a qualitative or quantitative way.

Another side effect I see from this plan is that more bad doctors will get into and stay in practice. They are in high demand now - particularly the GP's - and the only way that our current system will be able to handle the new customers will be to lower the standards for the profession. Get ready for an inflx of MD's from the Aruba School of Medicine.

Regardless - don't confuse this bill with healthcare reform. It is merely healthcare inflation.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Explain to me how adding approximately 10% of new customers to an already overburdened and flawed system without a plan to expand the ability to provide services will lower costs? Yes, for those w/out coverage, better coverage is a given. For those with coverage, even a poor plan, explain to me how increasing the burden on providers will provide these individuals with "better coverage" either in a qualitative or quantitative way.

Another side effect I see from this plan is that more bad doctors will get into and stay in practice. They are in high demand now - particularly the GP's - and the only way that our current system will be able to handle the new customers will be to lower the standards for the profession. Get ready for an inflx of MD's from the Aruba School of Medicine.

Regardless - don't confuse this bill with healthcare reform. It is merely healthcare inflation.

The only reason you and I can afford healthcare is because we pool your hard earned dollars with our co-workers through our employer to negotiate a cheaper rate. The same principle applies with this bill as it sets up an exchange where anyone can purchase insurance. The bill also addresses increase in demand by allocating grants to Clinics and Health Centers (sec. 2511), grants for Nursing Education (sec. 2521), High School Health Science Training (sec. 2533), Health training programs for Community Colleges (sec. 118), class size reduction in nursing programs (sec. 2536). While the bill is not perfect it certainly goes a long way in addressing some of the future problems with our healthcare system. Let's not also forget that all of these new people won't use the system all at the same time.

If France can do it, we can do it. It's that simple.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by saden1

The only reason you and I can afford healthcare is because we pool your hard earned dollars with our co-workers through our employer to negotiate a cheaper rate. The same principle applies with this bill as it sets up an exchange where anyone can purchase insurance. The bill also addresses increase in demand by allocating grants to Clinics and Health Centers (sec. 2511), grants for Nursing Education (sec. 2521), High School Health Science Training (sec. 2533), Health training programs for Community Colleges (sec. 118), class size reduction in nursing programs (sec. 2536). While the bill is not perfect it certainly goes a long way in addressing some of the future problems with our healthcare system. Let's not also forget that all of these new people won't use the system all at the same time.

If France can do it, we can do it. It's that simple.

Okay. The various grants may bring some relief to the supply problem. I guess I don't think it will be enough. We simply don't produce enough doctors. As for France, don't know if they have the same med mal issues we have or how they regulate their doctors. I could be wrong but I don't think it's an apples to apples comparison.

Hopefully my gloom and doom is incorrect. I just think we wasted a real opportunity for reform that will, in a barely adequate manner, solve only the most basic problem - everyone has insurance (However,people are still going to be underinsured).

As far as I am concerned it's a done deal. I am beginning to look at the financial planning needed and sacrifices that will be necessary when, 5 years from now, my premiums will be doubled. If I am wrong - great! We will have a windfall. Not counting on it though.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

The only reason you and I can afford healthcare is because we pool your hard earned dollars with our co-workers through our employer to negotiate a cheaper rate. The same principle applies with this bill as it sets up an exchange where anyone can purchase insurance. The bill also addresses increase in demand by allocating grants to Clinics and Health Centers (sec. 2511), grants for Nursing Education (sec. 2521), High School Health Science Training (sec. 2533), Health training programs for Community Colleges (sec. 118), class size reduction in nursing programs (sec. 2536). While the bill is not perfect it certainly goes a long way in addressing some of the future problems with our healthcare system. Let's not also forget that all of these new people won't use the system all at the same time.

If France can do it, we can do it. It's that simple.

So when you need open heart surgery your OK with the person who received their training at the local Community College?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

So when you need open heart surgery your OK with the person who received their training at the local Community College?

You could do worse, could be getting it from someone that has high school training. We're all going to get treated by Community College graduates...we're doomed

I don't know why I bother

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by firstdown

So when you need open heart surgery your OK with the person who received their training at the local Community College?

He still has to go through medical school numbnuts. It's not how you start, it's how you finish.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Angry

He still has to go through medical school numbnuts. It's not how you start, it's how you finish.

For god sake man...trying to destroy this country's healthcare system is hard enough as it is without you telling everybody our secret!

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by saden1

For god sake man...trying to destroy this country's healthcare system is hard enough as it is without you telling everybody our secret!

I'm sorry, I will never do that again.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Angry

He still has to go through medical school numbnuts. It's not how you start, it's how you finish.

You have to wonder about a guy that goes around talking about another mans nuts.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You have to wonder about a guy that goes around talking about another mans nuts.

Thats why I choose a female Dr. ..... cough , cough ... LOL !

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by budw38

Thats why I choose a female Dr. ..... cough , cough ... LOL !

I was seeing a female doctor for a "check up". She asks me, "Do you mind having a female doctor examine you?" I told her that if I minded strange women handling my family jewels, I wouldn't be seeing a doctor. :FIREdevil