Vikings Run Up The Score: Brooking vs. Pat Williams

[redskins forever]

you dont like it stop it plus did anyone notice with susiam (i dont care about spelling his name) missed more field goals for dallas the only thing better would have been is if he had to to do it with the game on the line also kaeding missed 3 field goal not like him

[BigHairedAristocrat]

If the Cowboys felt the game was "over," then on the preceding drive, when they were on offense, they should have been taking knees to indicate such. instead, they were going for touchdowns with a hope of winning the game. the cowboys werent acting like the game was over, so why should the vikings?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

The Cowboys felt the game was "over," then on the preceding drive, when they were on offense, they should have been taking knees to indicate such. instead, they were going for touchdowns with a hope of winning the game. the cowboys werent acting like the game was over, so why should the vikings?

Bingo. It works both ways. If the game was over, and if there was such a risk of injury, the Cowboys should have pulled Romo, Austin, Ware, and a few others. That would have sent the strongest signal that the dogs should be called off. Why should the Vikes fold up the tent, and let Romo and Co. take the field to pad their stats. And weren't the Cowboys talking trash during the week?

As long as the Cowboys are competing with every intention to score, I really don't get the reasoning that the Vikings should have called off the dogs.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Bingo. It works both ways. If the game was over, and if there was such a risk of injury, the Cowboys should have pulled Romo, Austin, Ware, and a few others. That would have sent the strongest signal that the dogs should be called off. Why should the Vikes fold up the tent, and let Romo and Co. take the field to pad their stats. And weren't the Cowboys talking trash during the week?

As long as the Cowboys are competing with every intention to score, I really don't get the reasoning that the Vikings should have called off the dogs.

All good points, but the Cowboys' actions don't dictate what is best for your team. When there are 2 minutes left in the game and you are up by 24 points, I think it's safe to take a knee or run out the clock. I don't think you can justify putting Brett Favre's shoulder or Peterson's knee at risk at that point, regardless of what the Cowboys are doing.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

All good points, but the Cowboys' actions don't dictate what is best for your team. When there are 2 minutes left in the game and you are up by 24 points, I think it's safe to take a knee or run out the clock. I don't think you can justify putting Brett Favre's shoulder or Peterson's knee at risk at that point, regardless of what the Cowboys are doing.

I guess there are good arguments on both sides. My only problem with the "injury" argument is that players risk getting injured running out that tunnel, so I don't think you can coach with the mentality. Also, it's not like the Vikings were at the 50 yard line and could have punted the ball. What we're really quibbling over is four points. That's it. The difference betwen a touchdown and a field goal.

So you're telling me the Cowboys would have been less offended had the Vikings made a field goal instead of sticking it in the end zone? That just sounds ridiculous.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Your main goal is to beat the opponent, but you don't want to lose key players to injury in the process. What is the point of running up the score and risking injury to your players in a game that has clearly been won? Only an insecure person or a moron would do that IMO. Once the game is won (i.e., up by 3 scores with 3 minutes left), call off the dogs.

I agree, pulling your players is the smart thing to do and I would do it but I'm not going to fault someone else for trying to score.They have every right to do what they did.

[12thMan]

It's not the failure for people to see my side for running up the score that gets to me. First off, I just hate the Cowboys and I took great pleasure in watching Keith Brooking make an ass of himself by complaining.

It's the double standard that exists here and throughout professional sports that upsets me the most. Take Brooking for example. He's on the sideline doing his pre-game ritual taunting the Vikings and their staff, disrespecting the home crowd, and drawing attention to himself. Throughout the course of the game players on both sides continue to taunt, talk trash, fight, late hits, fask mask, leg whips, whatever it takes to get the edge. Their competitive juices kick in and overflow. I get that. But now that we're down to the final two minutes of the game, now all of sudden we're trying to define "class" and what's inappropriate? Are you kidding me? After nearly sixty minutes of talking shit and trying to pulverize the guy in the purple jersey, now it's time to be gentlemen and show some sportsmanship?

Either do away with all of it or stop drawing these little convenient lines defining what's acceptable and what's not. It's the double standard that burns me up.

[JoeRedskin]

Again - "classiest" thing in the world to do? No. Most classless act by a professional football team? No. Something reasonable given all the circumstances? Yup.

As 12th pointed out, its not like they had been running it up during the entire 4th quarter pouring it on after the Cowboys made it clear they were say "no mas". Up until the drive before the Cowboys were attempting to score. The Vikes were on the 10 and took a shot in the end zone. BFD. It clearly made the point as the cowboys didn't even pass on their next possession but called 2 or 3 running plays to run out the clock.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by dblanch66

I think the important thing to remember is that this is a REDSKINS forum. One of the greatest joys for any Redskin fan is to bask in the humiliation, ineptitude and failure of our greatest rival and sworn enemy. Classless or not, I don't care. I just love seeing anything Dallas suffer.

Wow, you must be really starved for your fanhood. If your team cannot play well enough to satisfy your fandom that you have to take pleasure in a rival team losing a playoff game, then, I pity you.

Gotta ask, who do you root harder for? The Redskins when they play? Or any team playing the Cowboys? If your answer is the later, then your fanhood is in real question. As it would seem that you would take more pleasure in seeing a certain team lose, more than seeing the Redskins win.

And to even mention the words "humiliation, ineptitude and failure", your kidding right?

Redskins resume'
36-44 in the last 5 years (.450)
1 season in the last 9 years with double digit wins
0 division championships in the past 9 years
2 playoff appearances in 10 years
1 playoff win in 10 years

You wanna talk "humiliation, ineptitude and failure", look no further than Landover.

Originally Posted by dblanch66

From the scarecrow owner to fatass phillips to the legion of bandwagon fans that "claim" to be lifers of the pukes but couldn't tell you what number Charlie Waters wore;

MAke fun of Phillips all you want but facts are facts:

Wade Phillips....lets see 3 years in Dallas:
33-15 regular season record (.686)
2 division championships in 3 years
2 playoff appearances in 3 years
1 playoff win in 3 years.

Lost in Divisonal round in each playoff year. Thats 1 game away from the confernce championship if I am not mistaken.

YOU WISH any Washington coach in the last decade had that on thier resume'.

Charlie Waters - 41 even met him once, got an autograph. Had dinner with Tony Dorsett.

Every team that does well has a certain number of bandwagoners. Like you for instance, you jumped on that Vikings bandwagon simply because of who they were playing. So whose bandwagon are you on this week? Saints? Jets?

(No one knows if the Redskins have bandwagon fans, like I said, "teams that do well".)

Originally Posted by dblanch66

I revel in childlike delight at the pain and crushing disappointment of all Dallass fans everywhere. So as a REDSKIN fan, I don't care if the score was a classless move or not...I'm GLAD it happened to Dallas and hope it happens again. DALLAS SUCKS BALLS. Suck it. As for you handful of Dallas fans that like to practice voyeurism on our Redskin website, how can you expect any of us to behave otherwise?? Are you that braindead to think that we wouldn't bask in the totality of your constant failure? Take the pounding. It's good for ya.

Well if a winning teams playoff loss in the divisional round takes your mind off of what your players, owner, a venerable BEVY of coaches, has done for the fan base for the past DECADE, well then I am happy for you.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Wow, you must be really starved for your fanhood. If your team cannot play well enough to satisfy your fandom that you have to take pleasure in a rival team losing a playoff game, then, I pity you.

Gotta ask, who do you root harder for? The Redskins when they play? Or any team playing the Cowboys? If your answer is the later, then your fanhood is in real question. As it would seem that you would take more pleasure in seeing a certain team lose, more than seeing the Redskins win.

And to even mention the words "humiliation, ineptitude and failure", your kidding right?

Redskins resume'
36-44 in the last 5 years (.450)
1 season in the last 9 years with double digit wins
0 division championships in the past 9 years
2 playoff appearances in 10 years
1 playoff win in 10 years

You wanna talk "humiliation, ineptitude and failure", look no further than Landover.



Charlie Waters - 41 even met him once, got an autograph. Had dinner with Tony Dorsett.

Every team that does well has a certain number of bandwagoners. Like you for instance, you jumped on that Vikings bandwagon simply because of who they were playing. So whose bandwagon are you on this week? Saints? Jets?

(No one knows if the Redskins have bandwagon fans, like I said, "teams that do well".)


Well if a winning teams playoff loss in the divisional round takes your mind off of what your players, owner, a venerable BEVY of coaches, has done for the fan base for the past DECADE, well then I am happy for you.

I got news for you Sandy, 'round these parts hating the Cowboys is a big part of our fanhood. In fact, it's mandatory. It's like taking the SAT, LSAT, or GMAT. You don't go to the next level as a Redskins fan until you've displayed, consistently, sufficient hate and vitriol for the ugliest, slimmiest, scummiest, sorriest (those are 12th words) team on the planet. Don't get it twisted. We love to hate the Cowboys and ain't nothing wrong with that.

[Zerohero]

You just don't get it, when the Redskins are playing we root for them. When Dallas is playing we root for opponent. It's quite simple.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Wow, you must be really starved for your fanhood. If your team cannot play well enough to satisfy your fandom that you have to take pleasure in a rival team losing a playoff game, then, I pity you.

Gotta ask, who do you root harder for? The Redskins when they play? Or any team playing the Cowboys? If your answer is the later, then your fanhood is in real question. As it would seem that you would take more pleasure in seeing a certain team lose, more than seeing the Redskins win.

And to even mention the words "humiliation, ineptitude and failure", your kidding right?

Redskins resume'
36-44 in the last 5 years (.450)
1 season in the last 9 years with double digit wins
0 division championships in the past 9 years
2 playoff appearances in 10 years
1 playoff win in 10 years

You wanna talk "humiliation, ineptitude and failure", look no further than Landover.



MAke fun of Phillips all you want but facts are facts:

Wade Phillips....lets see 3 years in Dallas:
33-15 regular season record (.686)
2 division championships in 3 years
2 playoff appearances in 3 years
1 playoff win in 3 years.

Lost in Divisonal round in each playoff year. Thats 1 game away from the confernce championship if I am not mistaken.

YOU WISH any Washington coach in the last decade had that on thier resume'.

Charlie Waters - 41 even met him once, got an autograph. Had dinner with Tony Dorsett.

Every team that does well has a certain number of bandwagoners. Like you for instance, you jumped on that Vikings bandwagon simply because of who they were playing. So whose bandwagon are you on this week? Saints? Jets?

(No one knows if the Redskins have bandwagon fans, like I said, "teams that do well".)


Well if a winning teams playoff loss in the divisional round takes your mind off of what your players, owner, a venerable BEVY of coaches, has done for the fan base for the past DECADE, well then I am happy for you.

Did you have dinner with Swade Phillips?? Who ate the most? Did you go down on Tony Dorsett before or after dinner?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Again - "classiest" thing in the world to do? No. Most classless act by a professional football team? No. Something reasonable given all the circumstances? Yup.

As 12th pointed out, its not like they had been running it up during the entire 4th quarter pouring it on after the Cowboys made it clear they were say "no mas". Up until the drive before the Cowboys were attempting to score. The Vikes were on the 10 and took a shot in the end zone. BFD. It clearly made the point as the cowboys didn't even pass on their next possession but called 2 or 3 running plays to run out the clock.

Good point. Its not like Favre and the vikes were on their own 30 and just being asses. They were in easy scoring range. Really, pulling Favre and other key players out of the game (as many have suggested is what should have been done) and playing conservatively could have had the reduced the "momentum" the vikings carry going to New Orleans next week. Pulling starters out in a playoff game could also have "insulted" the cowboys even more. Favre was barely pressured all game. if i'm not mistaken, he's got the longest consecutive starting streak in NFL history. The chances of him getting hurt by staying in the game were minimal.

it amazes me how people will criticize the colts for sitting starters in "meanless" games and then criticize a team for doing the opposite in a game that actually meant something. this is the playoffs. the cardinals-packers game aside, every other playoff game this season has been boring and borderline unwatchable - atleast the vikings kept things interesting, even in the final minutes.

you also have to remember that this is very likely favre's final season in the NFL. its entirely possible that sunday was his last victory as well. why not let the man enjoy it?

and for those saying favre has no class or respect, dont forget he essentially fell down on purpose so a certain someone could get the all time sack record. Favre, like Manning, has an incredible level of respect and appreciation for the game. If he felt it were unsportsmanlike to keep

[MTK]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Again - "classiest" thing in the world to do? No. Most classless act by a professional football team? No. Something reasonable given all the circumstances? Yup.

As 12th pointed out, its not like they had been running it up during the entire 4th quarter pouring it on after the Cowboys made it clear they were say "no mas". Up until the drive before the Cowboys were attempting to score. The Vikes were on the 10 and took a shot in the end zone. BFD. It clearly made the point as the cowboys didn't even pass on their next possession but called 2 or 3 running plays to run out the clock.

Agreed 100%

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Valleyranchgirl

So by your logic the Redskins were never in many close games this year. We were not good enough to win your right. Only good enough to get there but plenty to build on.

We lost more games by 3 or less points than any other team you dolt. You come on here to argue but never even make sense.