79 Mock Drafts: Sam Bradford still Redskins projected choice

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I'm not so sure we'd have as much chance of getting quality starters at o-line after the 2nd round either. Unless you're talking about guys like Rinehart. There have been some pretty good QB's taken in the later rounds. What I'd like to see is a comparison of how many o-linemen vs how many QB's taken in the first round, percentage-wise, who went on to start in the last 10 years. Or more importantly, in the first 5 picks. It may not be fair because some of the linemen went on to start at a different position which gives them more of a chance of contributing.

Many of the lines in Denver were made up of 4th and 5th round picks and were easily considered among the best lines in the league. Shanahans most recent starting line was made up of a 3rd, 4th, 5th, 7th, and 1st round pick. Ironically this year under McDaniels the line struggled in part because of the switch from Shanahan's scheme to McEgo's. Or as I've seen Denver fans put it, we've gone from one of the leagues best lines under Shanahan to one of the worst under McEgo.

More locally the Giants line was made up of a 4th, 5th, 2 undrafted free agents, and a second round pick.

As far as numbers for QB's. Only thing I can tell you is that many of the QB's at the top and bottom were selected in the top 32 (Brees is considered a second round pick by many but today he would have been the last pick of the first round). 4 out of the 5 best QB's in terms of QB rating were top 32 picks and 4 of the bottom 5 were first round picks.

Ironically as far as the pro bowl goes, it seems to be a mix of first round picks and UDFA's. Same with QB's.

Also worth noting is the last line that Clinton Portis worked with in Denver was made up of a 1st, 4th, 3rd, 7th, and UDFA. Ironically in that group the first round pick might have been the worst of the bunch.

My own personal prediction see's us adding a tackle in the first or second round and maybe an interior lineman in the fourth though it would be better if they could add a second tackle. I personally feel like Edwin Williams and Kory Lichtensteiger are going to work out well for our interior. Heck Casey Rabach might have his best season for the first time in a while. The thing we do know right now is that we need two tackles. Maybe for now the best COA would be to add one this year early in the draft and use Levi Jones as a stopgap at RT but theres a lot of time between now and the draft.

The most important thing however, as far as O-Line is concerned, could be the creation of a pipeline in which we bring in mid round picks on an annual basis to develop and eventually earn a starting job.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Many of the lines in Denver were made up of 4th and 5th round picks and were easily considered among the best lines in the league. Shanahans most recent starting line was made up of a 3rd, 4th, 5th, 7th, and 1st round pick. Ironically this year under McDaniels the line struggled in part because of the switch from Shanahan's scheme to McEgo's. Or as I've seen Denver fans put it, we've gone from one of the leagues best lines under Shanahan to one of the worst under McEgo.

More locally the Giants line was made up of a 4th, 5th, 2 undrafted free agents, and a second round pick.

As far as numbers for QB's. Only thing I can tell you is that many of the QB's at the top and bottom were selected in the top 32 (Brees is considered a second round pick by many but today he would have been the last pick of the first round). 4 out of the 5 best QB's in terms of QB rating were top 32 picks and 4 of the bottom 5 were first round picks.

Ironically as far as the pro bowl goes, it seems to be a mix of first round picks and UDFA's. Same with QB's.

Also worth noting is the last line that Clinton Portis worked with in Denver was made up of a 1st, 4th, 3rd, 7th, and UDFA. Ironically in that group the first round pick might have been the worst of the bunch.

My own personal prediction see's us adding a tackle in the first or second round and maybe an interior lineman in the fourth though it would be better if they could add a second tackle. I personally feel like Edwin Williams and Kory Lichtensteiger are going to work out well for our interior. Heck Casey Rabach might have his best season for the first time in a while. The thing we do know right now is that we need two tackles. Maybe for now the best COA would be to add one this year early in the draft and use Levi Jones as a stopgap at RT but theres a lot of time between now and the draft.

The most important thing however, as far as O-Line is concerned, could be the creation of a pipeline in which we bring in mid round picks on an annual basis to develop and eventually earn a starting job.

Well there are 32 starting QB's in the NFL and there are 160 starting o-linemen. They can't all be #1 picks, but teams like the Jets who do have more than 1 on the o-line seem to be doing pretty well and I would certainly give their line more credit than their QB. One of those #1 QB picks is our own JC who we would be replacing because he's.....not good enough?

[SBXVII]

[QUOTE=53Fan;657734]Well there are 32 starting QB's in the NFL and there are 160 starting o-linemen. They can't all be #1 picks, but teams like the Jets who do have more than 1 on the o-line seem to be doing pretty well and I would certainly give their line more credit than their QB. One of those #1 QB picks is our own JC who we would be replacing because he's.....not good enough?[/QUOTE]

I'll have to give you this one. Most teams thought we reached for JC when most likely he would have been drafted in later rounds if drafted at all. Some teams felt because of where he was from he would have been a UFA.

To tell you the truth it wasn't until today that it finally sunk in that this team actually feels totally different to me. If the bus were to pull up today (which I think it has) I'm all at the back of the bus near the toilet... just in case I'm wrong so I can vomit. but I'm on the bus. This year I'm not expecting SB chances, however I do get jealous with the teams that draft QB's then all of a sudden look 110 % better like Atlanta, Baltimore, and Jets. but honestly I'll be satisfied even if we put a 5-11 team on the field so long as there is a sign of improvement on the field, play calling, and clock management. I'm not asking for miracles, just asking for them to look like an NFL team.

I found myself feeling sorry for the Raider fans who most likely would give their left nut for Al Davis to either keel over or back off and hire a decent GM and HC and let them run the team knowing that it will take whoever comes in more then a few years to fix the mess he has turned the team into.

Whoever or however our team chooses to utilize the draft will be ok with me knowing adiquate minds are at work with a plan on turning this team around.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I'll have to give you this one. Most teams thought we reached for JC when most likely he would have been drafted in later rounds if drafted at all. Some teams felt because of where he was from he would have been a UFA.

If drafted at all? You're saying that some teams didn't consider him worthy of being drafted at all?

That's just not accurate.

He was a top five QB prospect in that draft at the very very worst.

His most common projection was as a second round pick.

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[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

If drafted at all? You're saying that some teams didn't consider him worthy of being drafted at all?

That's just not accurate.

He was a top five QB prospect in that draft at the very very worst.

His most common projection was as a second or third round pick.

SI.com - 2005 NFL Draft - Jason Campbell

Jason Campbell*|*Auburn,*QB*:*2005 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile

I'm speculating as well as you ant SI is. Yes they think he was worthy of the draft spot but it doesn't mean he actually would have been drafted there. It all depends on what teams need and what teams had him on there radar and well after the draft we heard from media people saying some teams felt we reached for him taking him in the 1st round and some teams wondered why we even drafted him because they felt JC would have been available after the draft as a UFA. But.... as I said it's all speculation. What we do know is he was drafted in the 1st round. Whether he's worthy of that spot is opinion.

My opinion? JC was most likely worthy of a 4,5,or 6th round spot and was majorly coached up. He's definitly a great back up QB. We need a Franchise QB though for the long haul. Hopefully between Dad and Son the Shanahan's can find one where ever they draft him.

[RedskinMike]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I'm speculating as well as you ant SI is. Yes they think he was worthy of the draft spot but it doesn't mean he actually would have been drafted there. It all depends on what teams need and what teams had him on there radar and well after the draft we heard from media people saying some teams felt we reached for him taking him in the 1st round and some teams wondered why we even drafted him because they felt JC would have been available after the draft as a UFA. But.... as I said it's all speculation. What we do know is he was drafted in the 1st round. Whether he's worthy of that spot is opinion.

My opinion? JC was most likely worthy of a 4,5,or 6th round spot and was majorly coached up. He's definitly a great back up QB. We need a Franchise QB though for the long haul. Hopefully between Dad and Son the Shanahan's can find one where ever they draft him.

Nobody thought Campbell was going to go undrafted. It might have been a reach to take him in the first but there wasn't an analyst anywhere who did not have campbell as a top 3 round talent.

[irish]

Originally Posted by RedskinMike

Nobody thought Campbell was going to go undrafted. It might have been a reach to take him in the first but there wasn't an analyst anywhere who did not have campbell as a top 3 round talent.

Not only was it a reach to take him in the first round it was complete stupidity to give away 3 draft picks to make that reach.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

....I personally feel like Edwin Williams and Kory Lichtensteiger are going to work out well for our interior. Heck Casey Rabach might have his best season for the first time in a while. The thing we do know right now is that we need two tackles. Maybe for now the best COA would be to add one this year early in the draft and use Levi Jones as a stopgap at RT but theres a lot of time between now and the draft.

What we also know right now is that Bruce Allen is a member of this site and he's been reading my past posts

http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-...tml#post429251

I didn't even know we picked up KL until I read your post, see how much I'm paying attention.