Portis staying?

[SolidSnake84]

So how many games do you think Portis has cost us with his work habits and attitude? And when he only gets 1 or 2 yards and falls over his own feet, then what?

Portis was costing us games this year...no doubt about it...people need to wake up on this. Our offense was stagnant and needed anything they could get and Portis kept us out of the game. At least Ladell would have kept us in there had he not been hurt?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beneil (diehard since 87)

I really don't get where you guys are getting your stats and ideas. This season, he went out with a cuncussion, but nobody who came in after him had similar stats. LAST season, he began the season with a half decent line and was at a 1800yard season pace, once we lost the best of our line, he STILL managed to get 1400 yards. Now, I personally don't consider getting 1400 with a crappy line as "Losing a step" when at his best, he only ended his highest season with 100 more yards.

Also, when he "Threw his teamates under the bus" he was only telling the truth! When starting back at our own 2 or 3 yardline our coach Zorn, moronicaly, called a slow developing sweep to the right. Sellars was CP's blocker and both of them were in the endzone. Sellars had two choices of people to block. He blocked the wrong one and Portis was saftied. He had nowhere to go and the rest of the line provided no support. His only chance at avoiding a safety would be Sellars making the right block. Sellars made similar blocking errors all game and CP was the one being punished, beat up, and battered because of them. If this was the only game that sellars showed his skills deminishing, then i'd say, "Bad Portis"... but he cost us several games. He also ended what could've been Cambells first big game win against the then undefeated saints by fumbling to end the drive in overtime.

I don't think CP is the demon that some want to make him out to be, but he's certainly not an innocent party in all of this. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. He needs to be reeled in a bit and Shanahan can do that.

[DIE-NASTY]

If this year is an uncapped year and we can cut him and absorb his NFL highest contract for a RB without further cap ramifications then we should cut him. Yeah he could be productive next year but for how long (neck, foot and head injuries...isn't as explosive either)? And how long do we want to pay him like an elite back when we could use that money at other positions?

Shanny will plug someone in and they'll be successful running the ball given they improve the line.

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

Even the best or runningbacks stumble. Peterson just yesterday did the same thing and ended what was one move away from being a 50 or 60 yard td run. Betts is a mediocre back-up at best. The only time he was worth his weight was when portis was injured, randy and samuels returned, and Betts had the full and healthy o-line ahead of him.
Seriously though. I mean, yeah, Sellars had one year were like 8 out of his 9 catches were TDs but since then, what's the situation? He's costed us many games where there was no if, ands, or maybe's. I'm sure we ALL remember the goaline drive where he literaly handed the otehr team the ball. We cant use him as the power-back in the redzone cuz he fumbles too much! and we've tried, lord knows we tried, but he never busts threw for the touch, but PORTIS does. (so does Marcus Mason)
Now, If Shanahan can find another YOUNGER Champ Bailey to trade Portis for, then fine, but the LAST thing i want is Portis to run uss over like Stephen Davis did when we let HIM go.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Beneil (diehard since 87)

I really don't get where you guys are getting your stats and ideas. This season, he went out with a cuncussion, but nobody who came in after him had similar stats. LAST season, he began the season with a half decent line and was at a 1800yard season pace, once we lost the best of our line, he STILL managed to get 1400 yards. Now, I personally don't consider getting 1400 with a crappy line as "Losing a step" when at his best, he only ended his highest season with 100 more yards.

Also, when he "Threw his teamates under the bus" he was only telling the truth! When starting back at our own 2 or 3 yardline our coach Zorn, moronicaly, called a slow developing sweep to the right. Sellars was CP's blocker and both of them were in the endzone. Sellars had two choices of people to block. He blocked the wrong one and Portis was saftied. He had nowhere to go and the rest of the line provided no support. His only chance at avoiding a safety would be Sellars making the right block. Sellars made similar blocking errors all game and CP was the one being punished, beat up, and battered because of them. If this was the only game that sellars showed his skills deminishing, then i'd say, "Bad Portis"... but he cost us several games. He also ended what could've been Cambells first big game win against the then undefeated saints by fumbling to end the drive in overtime.

Good post. I believe its time to move on from Portis along with players such as: ARE, Randy Thomas, Rabach, Smoot, Rock, Daniels under the old regime and should be released or not brought back along with this movement. As a franchise we bottomed out this year under the Snyder/Vinny leadership, and now its a new era. Portis contract is disgusting and Shanny has proven he can get any RB to preform in his system. Portis's mouth doesnt help, you dont call out your QB to the media EVER. Its time for change.

[SolidSnake84]

Hey Beneil, you dont have to worry about Portis running anybody over if he leaves the team. There is no way he'd be a starter....he runs at a slow jog speed, so you have plenty of time to get out of the way.

[MTK]

He's only 28, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to think he could still have a couple of quality seasons left, perhaps in a rotation to help lighten his load. I think even if he stays Shanahan isn't going to make him his workhorse. We'll definitely see him in a two back system if he stays.

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

He's only 28, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to think he could still have a couple of quality seasons left, perhaps in a rotation to help lighten his load. I think even if he stays Shanahan isn't going to make him his workhorse. We'll definitely see him in a two back system if he stays.

Word. I mean to say is speed is a slow jog is just retarded! It's hard to imagine anyone slow jogging 78 yards. (his longest run this season) He averaged 4 yards per carry WITH A CRAPPY LINE! Under Shanahan's system, he averaged 5.5 so it's safe to say he'll be somewhere in the middle next year, should he stay with Da Skinz. I hope so. Not too many guys can take it and run as many times in one game and still have the vigor to break tackles. I mean, the man breaks more tackles before he gets to the line of scrimage than anyone. Imagine if he HAD A LINE!?!?!?!!

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Beneil (diehard since 87)

Even the best or runningbacks stumble. Peterson just yesterday did the same thing and ended what was one move away from being a 50 or 60 yard td run. Betts is a mediocre back-up at best. The only time he was worth his weight was when portis was injured, randy and samuels returned, and Betts had the full and healthy o-line ahead of him.
Seriously though. I mean, yeah, Sellars had one year were like 8 out of his 9 catches were TDs but since then, what's the situation? He's costed us many games where there was no if, ands, or maybe's. I'm sure we ALL remember the goaline drive where he literaly handed the otehr team the ball. We cant use him as the power-back in the redzone cuz he fumbles too much! and we've tried, lord knows we tried, but he never busts threw for the touch, but PORTIS does. (so does Marcus Mason)
Now, If Shanahan can find another YOUNGER Champ Bailey to trade Portis for, then fine, but the LAST thing i want is Portis to run uss over like Stephen Davis did when we let HIM go.

So now this is all Sellers fault? Well we got rid of Mason cause he couldn't block. It didn't matter that he was a good runner. So maybe we should simply cut Seller's.

All I can say is no one looked good in Zorn's screwed up offense. No one. Is/Was Portis a good runner? Yes. Could he provide 2 or 3 more decent yrs? who knows. But this is looking to be an uncapped yr. Most likely the only uncapped yr. Now is the time to shed the big contracts prior to any new CBA so we are not stuck with the big contracts any more or Vinny's future mortgage's. Thats the big issue. Now is Portis producing? Yes. So I guess the team has to weigh his worth. Keep in mind Portis is aging, seems to be injury prone, has a foot issue, and a concussion issue. If he were to get surgery on his foot and come back balls to the walls working out with the team, practicing with the team, playing in preseason with the team, and not complaining, then I'm for paying off his salary and re-signing him at a lower wage which would be more future cap friendly. But there still is the issue of him having a major concussion. Will his doctor release him to play again? and if he does he will be more easily suseptible to getting another concussion. He's not the shifty RB he used to be since Gibbs had him he has turned into the power RB Gibbs likes which means Portis will be taking a pounding with his head issue. Plus to top that off Shanahan has a plug and play RB system.

Now is he worth keeping? I'd say no. Cut him lose the big contract and find a younger healthier RB for Shanahan's system. Since just about anyone can run in it. Find someone who will be more of a team player and will play as he pratices.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Beneil (diehard since 87)

I really don't get where you guys are getting your stats and ideas. This season, he went out with a cuncussion, but nobody who came in after him had similar stats. LAST season, he began the season with a half decent line and was at a 1800yard season pace, once we lost the best of our line, he STILL managed to get 1400 yards. Now, I personally don't consider getting 1400 with a crappy line as "Losing a step" when at his best, he only ended his highest season with 100 more yards.

Also, when he "Threw his teamates under the bus" he was only telling the truth! When starting back at our own 2 or 3 yardline our coach Zorn, moronicaly, called a slow developing sweep to the right. Sellars was CP's blocker and both of them were in the endzone. Sellars had two choices of people to block. He blocked the wrong one and Portis was saftied. He had nowhere to go and the rest of the line provided no support. His only chance at avoiding a safety would be Sellars making the right block. Sellars made similar blocking errors all game and CP was the one being punished, beat up, and battered because of them. If this was the only game that sellars showed his skills deminishing, then i'd say, "Bad Portis"... but he cost us several games. He also ended what could've been Cambells first big game win against the then undefeated saints by fumbling to end the drive in overtime.

This has gotten to be one of the most lamest excuses I've ever heard. Throw your teamate or coach under the bus and justify it with, "He was only telling the truth". I guess some of the linemen should have gone on radio and said, " We'd have a better running game if Portis would come to practice and stop falling over his own feet". Or, " Maybe if Portis would hit the freakin hole like he's suppose to we would have gotten the first down". They would have only been telling the truth. You don't come out and publicly criticize a teamate or coach after they make a mistake. At least professionals don't. Portis is the LAST person on this team who should be throwing stones. On most teams, you don't see that. That would be like AP fumbling 3 times and then throwing Favre under the bus for throwing an INT. Portis needed to step his game up but instead blamed his teamates. PUBLICLY.

[MTK]

Yeah there's never really a good excuse for tossing a teammate under the bus in the media. Truth or not, you keep that stuff in-house. It does no good to air your dirty laundry in public.

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

First thing's first, I just started on Warpath so trust me, Sellers isn't JUST NOW becoming a problem in MY book. Did his fumbles cost many games? Yes. Has he ever been that guy to punch it in the endzone? No. Fourth and inches alstot/ bettis type? No. THe man is a beast, don't get me wrong, but you can't do that mess and win. You just can't! You can't count the fumbles yesterday and blame Favre ALONE for the loss, but yes, his mistake was the most costly. Well, sellers does both. There was a time when he was one of the best lead blockers in the league... not anymore. Period

As for if Shanahan's offense, no it's not an "Any back will do" offense. Look at the ones that succeeded in his offense. The fact is that they picked good ones. If Shanahan finds the next big back, then sweet! But if the next kid isn't better than CP then i'll be pissed. Every 3 yard Betts run would've been 7 if it was CP. Now, for Portis, the workhorse, to be put into a familiar system on which he once thrived... I don't know about you, but i see endzone cartwheels in our near future.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beneil (diehard since 87)

First thing's first, I just started on Warpath so trust me, Sellers isn't JUST NOW becoming a problem in MY book. Did his fumbles cost many games? Yes. Has he ever been that guy to punch it in the endzone? No. Fourth and inches alstot/ bettis type? No. THe man is a beast, don't get me wrong, but you can't do that mess and win. You just can't! You can't count the fumbles yesterday and blame Favre ALONE for the loss, but yes, his mistake was the most costly. Well, sellers does both. There was a time when he was one of the best lead blockers in the league... not anymore. Period

As for if Shanahan's offense, no it's not an "Any back will do" offense. Look at the ones that succeeded in his offense. The fact is that they picked good ones. If Shanahan finds the next big back, then sweet! But if the next kid isn't better than CP then i'll be pissed. Every 3 yard Betts run would've been 7 if it was CP. Now, for Portis, the workhorse, to be put into a familiar system on which he once thrived... I don't know about you, but i see endzone cartwheels in our near future.

Just seems a little odd that you're calling Sellers a problem yet you seem to give CP a pass on just about everything.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Just seems a little odd that you're calling Sellers a problem yet you seem to give CP a pass on just about everything.

Sounds like the FO. Fortunately I think those days are OVER.

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

Portis is the MAIN one that has the right to comlain. People got on Haynesworth too. That's my dog! THe man shoved two 300+ pound guys backward play after play, yet people whined that he took too many breathers. He singlehandedly changed the runningstyles of every team we played! Look ath how dallas treated us without him! They ran up the gut and dared us to stop them. whenever one of our guys was getting roughed up, Big Al came rushin' in like "WHAT! BACK UP FOOL!" and swingin! He's the man! Was he happy about the system? No. Did he keep quite about it? Heck yeah! Game after excruciating game! He didn't say a thing till the season was almost over. Then when he couldn't take it anymore, he politely stated that he wasn't used to the fullest. Orakpo wasnt either. Now, Portis is in the same spot, only on offense! Portis and Moss are the only game changers we got on offense. Cooley, yeah, but only when we're in a rhythm. If the line trashed portis, they would be lying. He isn't missing holes, he isn't tripping any more or less than any other back, he isn't going at half speed, and he isn't giving less than his all! The man has a strong personality, but to put him in the same category as T.O. is a bit much. Besides, once again, HE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH!