Haynesworth Missing From Redskins Offseason Workouts

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't have a problem w/ guys working out on their own. Sean Taylor did this too. But Haynesworth doesn't get the benefit of the doubt cause he was so badly out of shape last year. He got his money and then didn't take on the responsibility that comes with that contract. I'd try and trade him but who wants to eat his massive contract and bad attitude??

So you really want to trade the best player on the team.....wow.

What is your evidence that he is out of shape? Aren't all 360 pound men "out of shape"? My understanding is that he played a higher % of snaps than they said he would.

He didn't become the DPOY as a 275 pounder.

[hooskins]

I could care less of Fat Albert. Just show up and be in a bit better shape than last year. That is something he can work on by himself.

I would be worried if CP or 'Los didnt show. CP because of all his issues over the years as a Skin, and CR because we simply arent too deep at CB.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

So this year he is taking steps to correct him being out of shape last year and taking responsibility, what's the big deal about this?

It's not a huge deal. We'll see come training camp what kind of shape he's in.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

So you really want to trade the best player on the team.....wow.

What is your evidence that he is out of shape? Aren't all 360 pound men "out of shape"? My understanding is that he played a higher % of snaps than they said he would.

He didn't become the DPOY as a 275 pounder.

Potentially he's the best player on the team. My eyeballs tell me that he was not at his best. I don't care how many snaps he's played. I'd rather take guys like Vince Wilfork or Jay Ratliff. Give me some lunch pale type guys, not some fat ass prima donna that has to come out of the game after two plays in a row. Or someone who rolls around on the groud like a fish out of water cause he's tired. Or someone that's going to bitch about playing in a 3-4. Lose some damn weight cause he's not as effective at 360lbs. That's obvious. The word is out on Mr. Buttersworth.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Potentially he's the best player on the team. My eyeballs tell me that he was not at his best. I don't care how many snaps he's played. I'd rather take guys like Vince Wilfork or Jay Ratliff. Give me some lunch pale type guys, not some fat ass prima donna that has to come out of the game after two plays in a row. Or someone who rolls around on the groud like a fish out of water cause he's tired. Or someone that's going to bitch about playing in a 3-4. Lose some damn weight cause he's not as effective at 360lbs. That's obvious. The word is out on Mr. Buttersworth.

[hooskins]

I disagree skinsfan69, I think he was by far the best player on our D last year. Carter just didnt just find the fountain of youth last offseason to become a beast. AH disrupted the line and brought enough attention to allow our DEs to pressure the QB.

Sure he went down faster than a thai hooker, but he still was a disruptive force when he played. I think he was the best player on the field when he was in. This doesnt mean he gets a free pass; he should try to get in better shape to help our team and maybe more than 60 percent of the time.

[SirClintonPortis]

The team employed a lame training method during the Zorn years(and apparently, was carried over from the Gibbs year; there was no mention of change the workout methods then): the HITS method, which apparently leads to athletes who aren't strong as they could be if they used something like the conjugate method. .

(gotten from me lurking at ES and checking out one of KDawg's thread, one of the few members there who actually knows football over there)

Also, even with him being out of shape, he was clearly an impact player when he was in there. Back in 2008, QBs ALWAYS had a comfortable pocket and the D was getting gashed by runs late in the 2nd half almost every damn week during the second half of the season. I don't fault him for being suspicious of a "product" and taking the less risky way of going back to form.

[Redskins_P]

Big Al speaks....

Haynesworth: 'I Need To Do This'

When asked about making a switch to the 3-4 defense, a change that the Redskins are widely believed to be making, Haynesworth said that while he’s never played it before he will do what they ask of him. “I’m not going to be a distraction or anything so I’ll just do what they want me to do,” he said.

He said that he would prefer to play end on a three-man line as opposed to nose tackle. End is much more of a playmaking position as opposed to the man in the middle, who generally is assigned to taking on double teams and allowing others to make the plays.

Haynesworth recalled a conversation he had with Jim Washburn, his defensive line coach when he was with the Titans. “He said that I’m built like [basketball] center, but I want to be out there on the perimeter shooting threes.”

“I’d definitely say end,” Haynesworth said. He pointed out that he’s 6’ 6” and most nose tackles are “stump-type players”.

“I don’t think I’m built to be a nose tackle,” he said.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Potentially he's the best player on the team. My eyeballs tell me that he was not at his best. I don't care how many snaps he's played. I'd rather take guys like Vince Wilfork or Jay Ratliff. Give me some lunch pale type guys, not some fat ass prima donna that has to come out of the game after two plays in a row. Or someone who rolls around on the groud like a fish out of water cause he's tired. Or someone that's going to bitch about playing in a 3-4. Lose some damn weight cause he's not as effective at 360lbs. That's obvious. The word is out on Mr. Buttersworth.

Well if you get this fired up over Godzilla, you would need a straightjacket to watch Wilfork. He played 8% less of the potential snaps. Ratliff played the same percentage of plays.

Ratliff can play in traffic if you ask me. He is a Cowboy.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

Big Al speaks....

Haynesworth: 'I Need To Do This'

This is a good read. Further evidence that Jim Zorn was an effing idiot. (Not that we needed any)

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

Big Al speaks....

Haynesworth: 'I Need To Do This'

I do really think Haynesworth would be out of position playing NT in the 3-4. Paying all that money for him to just be a space eater? That seems a bit ridiculous. If you look at true NT, they are bulkier than him and take up more horizontal space (I know this sounds ridiculous). If you look at Casey Hampton and Vince Wilfork, they are built differently than Haynesworth. Honestly, I think that has been a big flaw of the previous FO administration...trying to fit players in the wrong scheme (Orakpo as a 4-3 LB, Landry as a FS, etc., etc.). Now, Shanny and company are new and obviously are working with what they have, and probably have explored having AH at NT. But I also don't blame AH for not wanting to be in a position where he won't be productive and helpful to the team.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Potentially he's the best player on the team. My eyeballs tell me that he was not at his best. I don't care how many snaps he's played. I'd rather take guys like Vince Wilfork or Jay Ratliff. Give me some lunch pale type guys, not some fat ass prima donna that has to come out of the game after two plays in a row. Or someone who rolls around on the groud like a fish out of water cause he's tired. Or someone that's going to bitch about playing in a 3-4. Lose some damn weight cause he's not as effective at 360lbs. That's obvious. The word is out on Mr. Buttersworth.

So Wilfork, Mr. It's A Slap In The Face If You Franchise Me is a lunch pail guy and not some fatass prima donna compared to Haynesworth.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I do really think Haynesworth would be out of position playing NT in the 3-4. Paying all that money for him to just be a space eater? That seems a bit ridiculous. If you look at true NT, they are bulkier than him and take up more horizontal space (I know this sounds ridiculous). If you look at Casey Hampton and Vince Wilfork, they are built differently than Haynesworth. Honestly, I think that has been a big flaw of the previous FO administration...trying to fit players in the wrong scheme (Orakpo as a 4-3 DE, Landry as a FS, etc., etc.). Now, Shanny and company are new and obviously are working with what they have, and probably have explored having AH at NT. But I also don't blame AH for not wanting to be in a position where he won't be productive and helpful to the team.

I agree with you and AH. He'd be better at DE than at NT.

[53Fan]

Let him train with the guy that got him in pro bowl shape. He didn't last year and people complain he was out of shape. I imagine he'll be training with the new staff during the season. He made a big impact last year but we signed him to be Godzilla. If this guy gets him back in top shape, Godzilla's what we'll get.

[diehardskin2982]

lavar is killing him right now on the radio. I hope AH hears this.