DWOC's International Burn a Koran Day

[DynamiteRave]

It's a respect thing.

People don't burn Bibles anymore, they don't burn Torahs, so why burn the Koran? What's the point of it? I mean hell, if you're gonna start burning religious manuscripts, I think the Bible deserves it just as much as the Koran does.

Or hell, while we're burning Korans, why don't we just fly a plane into Mecca? That'd be the ultimate disrespect. That'll show em.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

It's a respect thing.

People don't burn Bibles anymore, they don't burn Torahs, so why burn the Koran? What's the point of it? I mean hell, if you're gonna start burning religious manuscripts, I think the Bible deserves it just as much as the Koran does.

Or hell, while we're burning Korans, why don't we just fly a plane into Mecca? That'd be the ultimate disrespect. That'll show em.

Well, I am not generally an advocate of such things but if we did, would muslims then conclude that it was just a small violent faction of Americans responsible and not the majority who are peace loving?

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Well, I am not generally an advocate of such things but if we did, would muslims then conclude that it was just a small violent faction of Americans responsible and not the majority who are peace loving?

Of course not right off hand but I don't think anyone was extremely comfortable with Islam for a good time after 9/11 happened. But it helps that a lot of building bridges and investigation went on after that. I mean the whole, "you hurt me, so I'm gonna hurt you back" thing is so Neanderthal, especially after so much work has been done to get Americans and Muslims to come to terms and understand what happened in terms of 9/11.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Of course not right off hand but I don't think anyone was extremely comfortable with Islam for a good time after 9/11 happened. But it helps that a lot of building bridges and investigation went on after that. I mean the whole, "you hurt me, so I'm gonna hurt you back" thing is so Neanderthal, especially after so much work has been done to get Americans and Muslims to come to terms and understand what happened in terms of 9/11.

Neanderthal or no, what terms would you suggest for dealing with radical sons if islam?
AND they do themselves NO good service in building a Mosque near the 9/11 site. No good can come of that. AND they knew that in advance but are trying to do it anyway. You have to be responsible for your own actions......even stupid ones. If they look to assimilate in a meaningful, peaceful way that contributes positively to society.....this isn't it

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Neanderthal or no, what terms would you suggest for dealing with radical sons if islam?
AND they do themselves NO good service in building a Mosque near the 9/11 site. No good can come of that. AND they knew that in advance but are trying to do it anyway. You have to be responsible for your own actions......even stupid ones. If they look to assimilate in a meaningful, peaceful way that contributes positively to society.....this isn't it

I'm not saying building a Mosque near the 9/11 site is in a good taste but just like Over said about the Koran burning, they certainly have the right to do so. Albeit wrong or right. And you have no idea what those people building in Mosque have in store in terms of "good service". They might surprise the community and actually do some charitable work towards NYC.

Or they could just be a sleeper cell like everyone expects them to be. Whatever. *Shrugs*

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Well, I am not generally an advocate of such things but if we did, would muslims then conclude that it was just a small violent faction of Americans responsible and not the majority who are peace loving?

Would you conclude that Iran and its people? Talked to a friend of a friend several times who has been and lived in Iran and said a strong majority of Iranians are not only peace loving, but enjoy western culture. They understand its politics which divide the governments of the us and iran. He says its more obivious with the 30 and under crowd. This guy is not middle eastern or persian either, pale irish decent...its funny how media can twist sh*t

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Would you conclude that Iran and its people? Talked to a friend of a friend several times who has been and lived in Iran and said a strong majority of Iranians are not only peace loving, but enjoy western culture. They understand its politics which divide the governments of the us and iran. He says its more obivious with the 30 and under crowd. This guy is not middle eastern or persian either, pale irish decent...its funny how media can twist sh*t

what is the question?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Hog1

what is the question?

"it was just a small violent faction of Americans responsible and not the majority who are peace loving?"

you previous statement about shouldnt muslim understand its not a true representation of our country. Im saying their is misrepresentation here at home as well of muslims abroad.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Well, I am not generally an advocate of such things but if we did, would muslims then conclude that it was just a small violent faction of Americans responsible and not the majority who are peace loving?

Are we talking rouge American terrorist militiamen attacking Mecca? They shouldn't get mad at all Americans but at the very least they should be able to invade the states where these men came from.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by saden1

Are we talk rouge American terrorist militiamen attacking Mecca? They shouldn't get mad at all Americans but at the very least they should be able to invade the states where these men came from.

They could.....try
AND you can rest assured, if "they" were a big enough dog, they would. And maybe they are. They are good at that sort of thing........

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Hog1

They could.....try
AND you can rest assured, if "they" were a big enough dog, they would. And maybe they are. They are good at that sort of thing........

You don't have to be top dog to do damage....No men are more dangerous than those who have nothing to lose.

To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.

-Sun Tzu

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by saden1

You don't have to be top dog to do damage....No men are more dangerous than those who have nothing to lose.

...supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.
I'm good with that, what's your plan?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Hog1

...supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.
I'm good with that, what's your plan?

I'd start with opening a genuine dialog with people and stop supporting tyrannical/dictatorial regimes. Everyone already knows about the stick in my hand, I just need to show them I got a carrot in the other hand too.

First thing is first though, I got to get the keys to this country. Vote for me!

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

You don't have to be top dog to do damage....No men are more dangerous than those who have nothing to lose.

And men who believe they gain heaven by violent acts are even more dangerous than those with nothing to lose.

Great Sun Tzu quote BTW. Problem with the Sun Tzu view in the case of battling fundamentalist Islam is that you cannot break this enemy's "resistance" because it consists of a religious obligation to either kill or subjugate all non-Muslims.

To be clear, I am not stating that all Muslims believe this. There are many peaceful Muslims who reject the fundamentalist ideology just as many mainline Christians reject radical Christian beliefs (burning Qurans, murdering abortion doctors, protesting at soldiers funerals, etc.). However, the problem worldwide is that there's a significant percentage of Muslims who follow the fundamentalist ideology.

The burning of the Quran is wrong and shouldn't be done, it's disrespectful to all Muslims. The same as buring Bibles is disrespectful to Christians. This display will accomplish nothing positive. However, as U.S. citizens (of all faiths) we have to either support the 1st Ammendment or not, no matter how deplorable the speech may be. I'm sickened by the thought of a picture of a crucifix in a bottle of urine being on display as art (and the NEA paying for it), I'm disgusted and angered at a U.S. flag being burned, I'm disgusted and angered if a Bible was burned. But I won't threaten, or attempt murder on those who do such things. If any violence comes to the DWOC people, it needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law as a hate crime.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

And men who believe they gain heaven by violent acts are even more dangerous than those with nothing to lose.

Great Sun Tzu quote BTW. Problem with the Sun Tzu view in the case of battling fundamentalist Islam is that you cannot break this enemy's "resistance" because it consists of a religious obligation to either kill or subjugate all non-Muslims.

To be clear, I am not stating that all Muslims believe this. There are many peaceful Muslims who reject the fundamentalist ideology just as many mainline Christians reject radical Christian beliefs (burning Qurans, murdering abortion doctors, protesting at soldiers funerals, etc.). However, the problem worldwide is that there's a significant percentage of Muslims who follow the fundamentalist ideology.

The burning of the Quran is wrong and shouldn't be done, it's disrespectful to all Muslims. The same as buring Bibles is disrespectful to Christians. This display will accomplish nothing positive. However, as U.S. citizens (of all faiths) we have to either support the 1st Ammendment or not, no matter how deplorable the speech may be. I'm sickened by the thought of a picture of a crucifix in a bottle of urine being on display as art (and the NEA paying for it), I'm disgusted and angered at a U.S. flag being burned, I'm disgusted and angered if a Bible was burned. But I won't threaten, or attempt murder on those who do such things. If any violence comes to the DWOC people, it needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law as a hate crime.

Yes, men who think they're heaven bound if they blow themselves up in the name of Islam are the most dangerous. The question is whether there is anything you can do to deter such thought without military action?


Quantify significant percentage of Muslims and many mainline Christians.

You will see Muslims burn the American flag in displeasure but you will never ever see them burn the Bible.