D-Line help without trading down

[SKINSnCANES]

Well Dockery definitly needs someone to tutor him. He seems to have no insticts at all last year. Whether it was stepping on people, not picking up blockers. He didnt seem to do anything right until the end of the season. But hey, he lost some games for us, we get a better pick because of it. I just hope he learned a lot and worked hard this offseason.

Joe, did you seem him at training camp, how did he look?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by skinsfanthru&thru

don't discount dockery yet. I think he can be an awesome guard especially under the tutelage of the man Mr. Bugel.

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

Well Dockery definitly needs someone to tutor him. He seems to have no insticts at all last year. Whether it was stepping on people, not picking up blockers. He didnt seem to do anything right until the end of the season. But hey, he lost some games for us, we get a better pick because of it. I just hope he learned a lot and worked hard this offseason.

I agree with both of you. Dockery may yet pan out but he ain't there yet and could very well wash out. But, if he can be taught, Bugel is the man to do it. I think, however, that your right SFT and that Dockery will be a very good guard for long time.

OKAY, as to Vinny - How about a fourth rounder : ) ? Despite Jansen, Smoot and Dockery, is there anyone there who disagrees with my basic premise? That being - Vinny doesn't have a particularly good eye for finding average college talent that will translate to very good NFL talent? Remember, all three of them were highly regarded prospects coming out and Smoot was discussed as a No. 1 pick.

[skinsfanthru&thru]

I pretty much agree with your assesment joe except there was also Cartwright (7th round), but I think that was more Marty's pick if I remember correctly.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by skinsfanthru&thru

I pretty much agree with your assesment joe except there was also Cartwright (7th round), but I think that was more Marty's pick if I remember correctly.

No, Cartwright was a Spurrier/Cerrato pick.

And now, dammit, stop pointing out flaws in my carefully thought out, fully analyzed, and wonderfully articulated theories. Pretend I am Dan Snyder and you are Terry Robiskie - Just nod and agree with me.

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

No, Cartwright was a Spurrier/Cerrato pick.

And now, dammit, stop pointing out flaws in my carefully thought out, fully analyzed, and wonderfully articulated theories. Pretend I am Dan Snyder and you are Terry Robiskie - Just nod and agree with me.

lol, sorry for bursting your bubble. I also forgot Mccants. :thumb:

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by skinsfanthru&thru

I also forgot Mccants.

Now you're really pissing me off!!! That is not nodding and agreeing!!! LOL

[skinsfanthru&thru]

:FIREdevil MUUUUHAAHAAHAA, *clears throat* sorry, I enjoy being the devils advocate sometimes. the rest of what you said is true though and those r the only rare cases I know of unless Robert Royal stays healthy and plays well this year.

[SkinsRock]

McCants, Ohalete, Brian Johnson were all late picks/undrafted, but I believe they were all Marty picks, so Joe has a point.
All I can think of for Cerrato is Cartright, but consider that we haven't had as many late picks the past couple years, plus everyone wants to give all the top players a year under a REAL NFL coach to prove what they can do, so the same should be said for the "no-names" barely on the roster and on the practice squad.
It's the coaches that take the 80 or so players in training camp and decide who is worthy of keeping on the roster, not the FO. If and when Gibbs and company recognize hidden talent and potential, they will bring it out. Are the Patriots scouts really THAT much better then the rest of the league? I think not...a lot of it is coaching.