D-Line help without trading down

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

When did Cerrato get here, and what year was Stephen Davis drafted in. He was a what, 4th rounder? or 6th? one of the two I cant remember.

I'm pretty sure he was a 4th rounder. and it was before Cerrato cuz I don't remember Cerrato being here while Turner was.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

When did Cerrato get here, and what year was Stephen Davis drafted in. He was a what, 4th rounder? or 6th? one of the two I cant remember.

Davis was chosen in the 4th round in 1996, Vinny got here after Snyder bought the team which I think was in 1999 or 2000. I think Vinny got here in 2001. I think (again), that Vinny had been director of player personnel in San Fran before that.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by skinsfanthru&thru

I pretty much agree with your assesment joe except there was also Cartwright (7th round), but I think that was more Marty's pick if I remember correctly.

No, Cartwright was a Spurrier/Cerrato pick.

And now, dammit, stop pointing out flaws in my carefully thought out, fully analyzed, and wonderfully articulated theories. Pretend I am Dan Snyder and you are Terry Robiskie - Just nod and agree with me.

[SKINSnCANES]

As a side note, I at the big Caddilac dealship last week with my friend who works there. We were parking a car when I saw Bryant Mckinney there getting his new Escalade EXT. He put about 50g's in upgrades on it, including Laborgini Doors, yes on an SUV.

Anyhow the point is the guy brining his car to him cut a corner to close and indented the entire half of the truck. Completly messed it up. I walked downstairs and sat next to McKinney and just smiled as his salesmen was saying how hes going to love the new paint job and doors (which I just saw get ruined). I couldnt stay any longer but man, that is not a dude that id want to piss off.

[SKINSnCANES]

I wonder how Cartright is going to be used next year.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

I wonder how Cartright is going to be used next year.

I dunno, I really like him - he does what's asked of him and just rumbles along. Reminds me a little of Robert Newhouse in build and style (Dallas running back from the 70's - tough little mofo, about 5' 7" and had tree trunks for legs).

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

No, Cartwright was a Spurrier/Cerrato pick.

And now, dammit, stop pointing out flaws in my carefully thought out, fully analyzed, and wonderfully articulated theories. Pretend I am Dan Snyder and you are Terry Robiskie - Just nod and agree with me.

lol, sorry for bursting your bubble. I also forgot Mccants. :thumb:

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by skinsfanthru&thru

I also forgot Mccants.

Now you're really pissing me off!!! That is not nodding and agreeing!!! LOL

[skinsfanthru&thru]

:FIREdevil MUUUUHAAHAAHAA, *clears throat* sorry, I enjoy being the devils advocate sometimes. the rest of what you said is true though and those r the only rare cases I know of unless Robert Royal stays healthy and plays well this year.

[SkinsRock]

McCants, Ohalete, Brian Johnson were all late picks/undrafted, but I believe they were all Marty picks, so Joe has a point.
All I can think of for Cerrato is Cartright, but consider that we haven't had as many late picks the past couple years, plus everyone wants to give all the top players a year under a REAL NFL coach to prove what they can do, so the same should be said for the "no-names" barely on the roster and on the practice squad.
It's the coaches that take the 80 or so players in training camp and decide who is worthy of keeping on the roster, not the FO. If and when Gibbs and company recognize hidden talent and potential, they will bring it out. Are the Patriots scouts really THAT much better then the rest of the league? I think not...a lot of it is coaching.

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Originally Posted by SkinsRock

McCants, Ohalete, Brian Johnson were all late picks/undrafted, but I believe they were all Marty picks, so Joe has a point.
All I can think of for Cerrato is Cartright, but consider that we haven't had as many late picks the past couple years, plus everyone wants to give all the top players a year under a REAL NFL coach to prove what they can do, so the same should be said for the "no-names" barely on the roster and on the practice squad.
It's the coaches that take the 80 or so players in training camp and decide who is worthy of keeping on the roster, not the FO. If and when Gibbs and company recognize hidden talent and potential, they will bring it out. Are the Patriots scouts really THAT much better then the rest of the league? I think not...a lot of it is coaching.

McCants was a draft pick during the first year of Spurriers stay, Ohalete was a free agent pick up, and Johnson was an undrafted rookie free agent and I think your right that Johnson and Ohalete were Marty pick ups but Cerrato was here when Marty was. and I agree that the PAtriots r the perfect example of a team choosing the right players that will fit within the team's scheme.

[SkinsRock]

Not to argue, but McCants was a 5th rounder in 2001 (the Schotty year), but he spent his whole first season on the practice squad.

He went to my high school (granted, many years later than me!), so I have tried to keep up on him, and have been pulling for him ever since he was picked by the Skins...

[SKINSnCANES]

Snyder never uses late round people. He likes the big name people, and the peopel that once had big names. Hence most of the mistakes hes made over the last five years. Theres no point in even listing all the people hes signed on name recognition alone. Now that we have a deep coaching staff players should hopefully progress a lot faster and become better players. Before we relied on pure talent.

If you look at the patiots last year, around weeks 5 and 6, all most their whole team was injured. They lost a lot of their big names and iddnt seem to lose a step. Ironically the only team that beat their backups was us. Thats coaching for you, when you lose a ton of starters, and win the super bowl. This league usually comes down to teh team with the fewest injuries, that proved to not be true last year.

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Originally Posted by SkinsRock

Not to argue, but McCants was a 5th rounder in 2001 (the Schotty year), but he spent his whole first season on the practice squad.

He went to my high school (granted, many years later than me!), so I have tried to keep up on him, and have been pulling for him ever since he was picked by the Skins...

my bad, you're right, but that still means he was drafted during Cerrato's stay unless that was the year he took off cuz I remember cerrato working for espn for a little bit in between employment under Snyder.