Derrick Johnson

Defensewins · 04-03-2005, 03:30 PM

Here is wishful thinking:
I have seen on some recent Mock Drafts that Texas LB Derrick Johnson may be available when we pick 9th. Doubtful, but it could happen.
If so, we should not hesitate to draft DJ.
DJ is one of the few blue chip-can't miss top talents in this draft; ala Sean Taylor and Lavar Arrington were in their draft class.
DJ is rated one of the top 3-5 players (talent wise) in this draft. However since DJ plays LB and some moronic teams (like SF this year) insist on picking weak QB's early, he may drop a few spots.
Last year Sean Taylor was rated top 3 talent wise in his draft class, but dropped a few spots because he plays safety and Phillip Rivers was drafted way too high.
These are the kinds of bargains/steals you look for at the top of the first round, even though LB might not be our biggest need. This guy would be a steal at #9.

That Guy · 04-03-2005, 05:12 PM

then what? move washington inside? the problem is OLB is the last thing we need right now, and i'm not sure he'll be ready to move to MLB with such a short time to transition (if he's even able to)...

I'd put him in the "great player, but not for us" category...

John Hasbrouck · 04-03-2005, 05:23 PM

If Johnson is there at 9-take him-with Barrow being old- coming of tendonitis he is a ?.

Defensewins · 04-03-2005, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

then what? move washington inside? the problem is OLB is the last thing we need right now, and i'm not sure he'll be ready to move to MLB with such a short time to transition (if he's even able to)...

I'd put him in the "great player, but not for us" category...

DJ played OLB and MLB at Texas. He has experience at MLB position.

SKINSnCANES · 04-03-2005, 08:12 PM

I was just going to post a thread about Derick Johnson. It says on his analysis on ESPN.com that he will be moved to the middle in the pros becuase of his size and ability to stop the run up the middle. Id rather us get Rolle, i think corner is a much bigger need for us, with how old our corners are. But he could play middle for us and would make our linebacking corp dominate.

John Hasbrouck · 04-03-2005, 08:28 PM

The #1 concern is we get a player or players in the draft that will make an impact

BigSKINBauer · 04-03-2005, 11:07 PM

i read that we may need depth at lb, we may be moving marshall inside and barrow just might be done. He would be a great investment but i see washington and arrington to play for years to come. If he could play mlb within 1-2 years i would actually want him but if not then we just need to understand that even though he maybe the surest thing in the draft we just don't have a need for him...... and we should be thankfull for that!

memphisskin · 04-07-2005, 02:16 PM

I'm with Hansbrouck, you can't pass on DJ if he's there. Pierce was an OLB that we converted and that seemed to turn out pretty well. I think DJ is considerably better than any linebacker we might get later in the draft, while I'm not sure that Pac Man Jones is that much better than any corner we'd get later on. I just think it's easier to find corners than lbs.

But this year's draft is pretty deep, so hopefully we'll get someone to make an impact

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-07-2005, 02:22 PM

Not sure if this is the forum to state this in, but I was watching some highlights of Mike Williams and his stock lowered GREATLY for me. If anyone hasn't really seen any of his highlights, I would suggest you do.

He has a hard time shedding blocks especially being as big as he is. He didn't run tight routes and just didn't seem all too explosive.

Before I get the obvious incoming criticism on this evaluation, I may not have seen the "circus" catches that's he has undoubtedly made. I will say that when I saw the way he plays, it just doesn't seem like he was very fundamentally sound.

Personally, if we were to go WR, I would go Edwards. After being sorely disappointed with Williams "highlights", I decided to check out Edwards and was thoroughly impressed. I think it would be a gamble because of his dropping problems in college, but if that was corrected, I see him as being the biggest playmaker at WR.

offiss · 04-07-2005, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Not sure if this is the forum to state this in, but I was watching some highlights of Mike Williams and his stock lowered GREATLY for me. If anyone hasn't really seen any of his highlights, I would suggest you do.

He has a hard time shedding blocks especially being as big as he is. He didn't run tight routes and just didn't seem all too explosive.

Before I get the obvious incoming criticism on this evaluation, I may not have seen the "circus" catches that's he has undoubtedly made. I will say that when I saw the way he plays, it just doesn't seem like he was very fundamentally sound.

Personally, if we were to go WR, I would go Edwards. After being sorely disappointed with Williams "highlights", I decided to check out Edwards and was thoroughly impressed. I think it would be a gamble because of his dropping problems in college, but if that was corrected, I see him as being the biggest playmaker at WR.

Actually I was about to start a thread about that very thing, I agree Williams is not the player he is defiently overhyped, there are plenty of recievers in this draft who if they played for USC would be talked about in the top 10, that offense can make you look much better than you really are. I still say we do what we have to do to pick up a 2nd rd pick and get V. Jackson, this kid will be better than Williams, if we do what we have to do to move into the early second rd and keep our #9 then I feel we will be much better off with the best CB available [ preferably Rolle]or Merriman, I have a strong feeling that Merriman will be he guy, but we can't trade down to get him, where as if we trade down and pick up a second rounder, we could get a very good CB and Jackson, Jackson IMO is the big key to us having great success in this draft.

No way we need a LB at #9, when Williams has shown he can tap the talent off a cast off and turn him into a pro bowler, he doesn't need another star at LB, especially at the expence of much more needed help at other positions.

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-07-2005, 03:16 PM

I was also looking at Jackson. The guy DOES look like a great player. Honestly, right about now I would be happy with Rolle, Jones or Merriman at #9. I'm about 99% sure that they would be sure things, as well as Johnson.

diehardskin2982 · 04-07-2005, 07:13 PM

i'd take him to trade him later in the draft ala San Diego last year and Eli maybe to the pats for the 1st this year and next year

memphisskin · 04-08-2005, 11:31 AM

Mike Williams is legit. He runs good routes, and he has the best hands in the draft bar none. But both him and Edwards will probably be off the board.

I'm 99% sure that Jones is going to be a bust.

offiss · 04-08-2005, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by memphisskin

Mike Williams is legit. He runs good routes, and he has the best hands in the draft bar none. But both him and Edwards will probably be off the board.

I'm 99% sure that Jones is going to be a bust.

I actually think the percentages may be higher than that.

He has more athletic ability than Sean Bennett, and Bennett is a tremendous reciever.

04-03-2005, 05:12 PM	#2
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: Derrick Johnson then what? move washington inside? the problem is OLB is the last thing we need right now, and i'm not sure he'll be ready to move to MLB with such a short time to transition (if he's even able to)... I'd put him in the "great player, but not for us" category...

04-03-2005, 05:23 PM	#3
John Hasbrouck Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 180	Re: Derrick Johnson If Johnson is there at 9-take him-with Barrow being old- coming of tendonitis he is a ?.

04-03-2005, 08:12 PM	#5
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	Re: Derrick Johnson I was just going to post a thread about Derick Johnson. It says on his analysis on ESPN.com that he will be moved to the middle in the pros becuase of his size and ability to stop the run up the middle. Id rather us get Rolle, i think corner is a much bigger need for us, with how old our corners are. But he could play middle for us and would make our linebacking corp dominate. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-03-2005, 08:28 PM	#6
John Hasbrouck Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 180	Re: Derrick Johnson The #1 concern is we get a player or players in the draft that will make an impact

04-03-2005, 11:07 PM	#7
BigSKINBauer Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Washington, DC Age: 36 Posts: 5,688	Re: Derrick Johnson i read that we may need depth at lb, we may be moving marshall inside and barrow just might be done. He would be a great investment but i see washington and arrington to play for years to come. If he could play mlb within 1-2 years i would actually want him but if not then we just need to understand that even though he maybe the surest thing in the draft we just don't have a need for him...... and we should be thankfull for that!

04-03-2005, 03:30 PM	#1
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,749	Derrick Johnson Here is wishful thinking: I have seen on some recent Mock Drafts that Texas LB Derrick Johnson may be available when we pick 9th. Doubtful, but it could happen. If so, we should not hesitate to draft DJ. DJ is one of the few blue chip-can't miss top talents in this draft; ala Sean Taylor and Lavar Arrington were in their draft class. DJ is rated one of the top 3-5 players (talent wise) in this draft. However since DJ plays LB and some moronic teams (like SF this year) insist on picking weak QB's early, he may drop a few spots. Last year Sean Taylor was rated top 3 talent wise in his draft class, but dropped a few spots because he plays safety and Phillip Rivers was drafted way too high. These are the kinds of bargains/steals you look for at the top of the first round, even though LB might not be our biggest need. This guy would be a steal at #9.

04-07-2005, 02:16 PM	#8
memphisskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Nashville, TN Age: 53 Posts: 960	Re: Derrick Johnson I'm with Hansbrouck, you can't pass on DJ if he's there. Pierce was an OLB that we converted and that seemed to turn out pretty well. I think DJ is considerably better than any linebacker we might get later in the draft, while I'm not sure that Pac Man Jones is that much better than any corner we'd get later on. I just think it's easier to find corners than lbs. But this year's draft is pretty deep, so hopefully we'll get someone to make an impact

04-07-2005, 02:22 PM	#9
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,233	Re: Derrick Johnson Not sure if this is the forum to state this in, but I was watching some highlights of Mike Williams and his stock lowered GREATLY for me. If anyone hasn't really seen any of his highlights, I would suggest you do. He has a hard time shedding blocks especially being as big as he is. He didn't run tight routes and just didn't seem all too explosive. Before I get the obvious incoming criticism on this evaluation, I may not have seen the "circus" catches that's he has undoubtedly made. I will say that when I saw the way he plays, it just doesn't seem like he was very fundamentally sound. Personally, if we were to go WR, I would go Edwards. After being sorely disappointed with Williams "highlights", I decided to check out Edwards and was thoroughly impressed. I think it would be a gamble because of his dropping problems in college, but if that was corrected, I see him as being the biggest playmaker at WR. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-07-2005, 03:16 PM	#11
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,233	Re: Derrick Johnson I was also looking at Jackson. The guy DOES look like a great player. Honestly, right about now I would be happy with Rolle, Jones or Merriman at #9. I'm about 99% sure that they would be sure things, as well as Johnson. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-07-2005, 07:13 PM	#12
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	Re: Derrick Johnson i'd take him to trade him later in the draft ala San Diego last year and Eli maybe to the pats for the 1st this year and next year __________________ That got ugly fast

04-08-2005, 11:31 AM	#13
memphisskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Nashville, TN Age: 53 Posts: 960	Re: Derrick Johnson Mike Williams is legit. He runs good routes, and he has the best hands in the draft bar none. But both him and Edwards will probably be off the board. I'm 99% sure that Jones is going to be a bust.

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