Andy Reid or Mike Shanahan? Eagles President takes shot at Shanny

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

It is easy to take a shot at the last placed team in the division. Once things are turned around we will smash the eagles twice on the way to the superbowl.

Until Philly wins one then they can talk. If you count Shanny's two that's a total of 5 superbowls between franchise and coach to zero in philly with Reid. That dude needs some class!

If your counting that way doesn't Reid get 1 with GB.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

That gimmick offense broke records on our sorry ass d this year, i know we won the first game but they darn sure made up for it in the second one. And again all the bashers on here would love to have AR as our coach!!!!

Everyone has a bad game now and then...that loss meant one win, nothing more. When we play again it will be a different story. I remember the body bag game too.

And no, I for one wouldn't want Andy Reid to be our coach. He doesn't run the ball enough. You don't win super bowls if you don't run the ball and I like the idea of winning super bowls.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Buster has it right, in the end all MS has to say to this crap is check the scoreboard.

Shanahan 2 Reid 0.

They are both good coaches.
To be fair the Sb victories for Shanahan 1997 and 1998 was a long time ago. Shanahan has not had a playoff team or win since 2005. That is a long time ago by NFL standards.
Reid has only had 3 non playoff seasons in 12 years.
Shanahan has had 9 non playoff season in 16 full seasons/years as head coach.
Shanahan has two SB wins,
Reid none.

They are both good coaches.

[MTK]

Yes they are both good coaches, not denying that, one just happens to have 2 rings and his name isn't Reid. Fact.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yes they are both good coaches, not denying that, one just happens to have 2 rings and his name isn't Reid. Fact.

Also a fact, Mike is 2-1 against Andy, including a beating of 44-21 in 2005..it all doesn't matter tough...bling speaks louder than words.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yes they are both good coaches, not denying that, one just happens to have 2 rings and his name isn't Reid. Fact.

Shanahan has not made the playoffs in NINE of his 16 full seasons as head coach. That is less then half. That sucks! Fact.

Shanahan won his two SB's with a hall of fame Qb named Elway. Once Elway was gone old Shanhan was fired. Kicked to the curb! Fact. Ouch!

Reid in his career as an NFL head coach, has been much more consistent in fielding a winner than Shanahan. Fact.
There are shit coaches that won a SB by riding others coat tails, see Barry Switzer. Winning a SB does not make you exempt from sucking.
Look I am not siding with Reid nor am I putting down Shanahan. But lets not make Shanahan into more than he CURRENTLY is. Currently he is struggling coach of a struggling franchise.
You have to walk the walk before you talk shit....and Shanhan's walk currently is that of a male ballet dancer with a pronounced lisp.
Comprende?
I do not really care how great Shanahan was last century. Clinton Portis was great at one time too. That does not mean he is great now.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Shanahan has not made the playoffs in NINE of his 16 full seasons as head coach. That is less then half. That sucks! Fact.

Shanahan won his two SB's with a hall of fame Qb named Elway. Once Elway was gone old Shanhan was fired. Kicked to the curb! Fact. Ouch!

Reid in his career as an NFL head coach, has been much more consistent in fielding a winner than Shanahan. Fact.
There are shit coaches that won a SB by riding others coat tails, see Barry Switzer. Winning a SB does not make you exempt from sucking.
Look I am not siding with Reid nor am I putting down Shanahan. But lets not make Shanahan into more than he CURRENTLY is. Currently he is struggling coach of a struggling franchise.
You have to walk the walk before you talk shit....and Shanhan's walk currently is that of a male ballet dancer with a pronounced lisp.
Comprende?
I do not really care how great Shanahan was last century. Clinton Portis was great at one time too. That does not mean he is great now.

Joe Gibbs has missed the playoffs 6 of out of his 16 years as a head coach. Compared to Andy he's a bum. 75% playoff apperance vs 62.5%? Clearly we would all like to have Andy!

Weak!!!! So Weak!!!

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by saden1

Everyone has a bad game now and then...that loss meant one win, nothing more. When we play again it will be a different story. I remember the body bag game too.

And no, I for one wouldn't want Andy Reid to be our coach. He doesn't run the ball enough. You don't win super bowls if you don't run the ball and I like the idea of winning super bowls.

Yeah Green Bay really burned it up on the ground against Pittsburg. Yeah i do remember the body bag game and that was a different time and era. Itl never be the same.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Our D was also ranked last in the NFL. So what's your point?

Andy Reid is a good coach.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Buster has it right, in the end all MS has to say to this crap is check the scoreboard.

Shanahan 2 Reid 0.

And w/out maybe the best QB of all time what else has he done? What happened when Brian Griese took over? To be honest, I'd rather have Rex Ryan. He seems like a true difference maker.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by 44ever

That makes Gibbs suck.

I thought his last performance wasnt half bad. Although a lot of critics see that since he didnt win a SB it was a failure. To make the palyoffs 2 outa 4 years with that group was pretty impresive to me. Plus the loss of ST. Gibbs II was a lot better than we had been doing the previous years.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Shanahan has not made the playoffs in NINE of his 16 full seasons as head coach. That is less then half. That sucks! Fact.

Shanahan won his two SB's with a hall of fame Qb named Elway. Once Elway was gone old Shanhan was fired. Kicked to the curb! Fact. Ouch!

Reid in his career as an NFL head coach, has been much more consistent in fielding a winner than Shanahan. Fact.
There are shit coaches that won a SB by riding others coat tails, see Barry Switzer. Winning a SB does not make you exempt from sucking.
Look I am not siding with Reid nor am I putting down Shanahan. But lets not make Shanahan into more than he CURRENTLY is. Currently he is struggling coach of a struggling franchise.
You have to walk the walk before you talk shit....and Shanhan's walk currently is that of a male ballet dancer with a pronounced lisp.
Comprende?
I do not really care how great Shanahan was last century. Clinton Portis was great at one time too. That does not mean he is great now.

I've never tried to say Reid is a bad coach, not sure why you seem to be going out of your way to convince us of his genius. Good coach... good coach with no SB wins is all I've said from the start.

Bringing Switzer into the argument is just pure silliness. And the all mighty Elway didn't win jack until Shanahan came along, so let's not be so quick to give all the credit to Elway. They won those SB's together. Shanahan is what he is right now, a good coach trying to turn around a bad team, but that doesn't diminish his accomplishments.

Not a lot of guys have won 2 SB's you know.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by saden1

Someone tell them the reason Andy hasn't won a Super Bowl is because his offense is a fcking gimmick. Let's see, last year it was screens to McCoy, Jackson on a go route, run with Vick, draw with McCoy peppered with a few slants here and there. Handy Andy will never win a super bowl when facing a good defense which is usually what you face in the playoffs.

Don't talk shit about a man who has won two super bowls and coaches in your division. There is no benefit in doing so.

Gimmick offense??? Yeah right. You don't have a top 5 NFL offense and it's a gimmick. That's just a totally 100% ridiculous statement.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

This is kind of a pot calling the kettle black type of debate.

There is some busting on Reid here for not winning a superbowl during his time with the eagles...Andy Reid with Jeff Lurie has achieved 1 superbowl appearance, countless NFC Championships. Andy Reid has had only 2 truly poor season, his first as coach, and the second coming when he lost McNabb in 2005 and had no capable backup QB. Almost every year they make the playoffs.

Dan Snyder, with his revolving door of coaches, has had only 3 playoff appearances. A losing season each year except for 1999, 2005, and 2007. Never had an NFC Championship with Snyder. Will likely never have a SB with Danny as owner. I find it laughable that anybody would bash Reid and the eagles, while comparing them to Dan Snyder and the Redskins.

He's had two cause the 99 team was already put together for him. So to me that's two playoff appearances in 11 seasons.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

I thought his last performance wasnt half bad. Although a lot of critics see that since he didnt win a SB it was a failure. To make the palyoffs 2 outa 4 years with that group was pretty impresive to me. Plus the loss of ST. Gibbs II was a lot better than we had been doing the previous years.

I agree. but by the "your only as good as your last performance" then puts Gibbs in the "wasn't half bad" slot. We know different thou.

Skins are a tough team to coach. The last 2 decades of history proves that.