Ongoing CBA discussions

Longtimefan · 03-10-2011, 08:57 PM

NFL labor talks appear to be near collapse

JoeRedskin · 03-10-2011, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

@AdamSchefter: Wow RT @ProFootballMgmt: @gregaiello You can take your 150 pages of CBA revisions and shove em! Can you say treble damages, Doty is waiting!"

Ugh why even meet tomorrow. Just file the papers and let the lawyers claim their fair share of that 9Billion

Muhahahaaa <rubbing hands together and grinning evilly>

CRedskinsRule · 03-11-2011, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Muhahahaaa <rubbing hands together and grinning evilly>

Lawyers... you can't live with 'em ... you , hmmmm, nevermind.

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on CBA news

daniel kaplan tweet:
Jerry jones just walked in and said "hopefully we will have something for you in an hour or two."

After the SB fiasco, should JJ really be making timeline predictions?

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and finally,

assuming a lockout/season disruption, can the fans file a class action suit against the owners and players, claiming extreme duress due to both parties extreme idiocy? maybe they can settle with one year free NFL Sunday Ticket for every united states household

CRedskinsRule · 03-11-2011, 10:12 AM

oh Happy Day! Smiles available, only $800mill

freddyg12 · 03-11-2011, 10:24 AM

Mike Golic said yesterday it looks like its headed to court. He & Mike G. said that the public comments were a pretty strong sign that the positive gains made by having the mediator were already eroding, and that both sides resumed their attempts to win public support.

I understand why both sides want public support, but if it heads to court, that isn't going to matter unless you have a very unprofessional judge. I have to agree w/Mike & Mike, based on the info we're looking at now, this thing is headed to court.

I've heard 6 months as a time for it to get to court, which puts us right at the beginning of the season. Maybe we'll see some games by Nov.?

MTK · 03-11-2011, 10:33 AM

League year could start long before new CBA is reached | ProFootballTalk

Longtimefan · 03-11-2011, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

League year could start long before new CBA is reached | ProFootballTalk

This is the link to the actual Peter King article. I had posted it earlier in the free agency thread.

NFL free agency could happen sooner under one labor scenario - Peter King - SI.com

CRedskinsRule · 03-11-2011, 11:34 AM

Probably the best quick hits explanation of the various legal tactics both sides can use:

Gabriel A. Feldman: NFL Lockout: The Legal Issues Behind the NFL-CBA Negotiations

FRPLG · 03-11-2011, 11:53 AM

David Cornwell proposes a new player compensation model | ProFootballTalk

This makes the first best case for siding with the players to me. Until I read this a few times and noodled it I was a slight lean towards the owners. Now I am much more inclined to understand the logical desires of the players side. I can't find a hole in his explanation although I don't know that the solutions he presents are practical.

freddyg12 · 03-11-2011, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

David Cornwell proposes a new player compensation model | ProFootballTalk

This makes the first best case for siding with the players to me. Until I read this a few times and noodled it I was a slight lean towards the owners. Now I am much more inclined to understand the logical desires of the players side. I can't find a hole in his explanation although I don't know that the solutions he presents are practical.

His compensation model doesn't side w/the players though, it's simply a corporate model solution that he feels could benefit both parties. Not a bad idea at all, I certainly hope there are other ideas like this floated in the mtgs. What I like about this idea is it at least gives the players a means to look to the future. I'm not taking sides in saying this, but overall the players approach has always been about getting the biggest contracts possible, but at the same time that reduces pay for the avg. player.

FRPLG · 03-11-2011, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by freddyg12

His compensation model doesn't side w/the players though, it's simply a corporate model solution that he feels could benefit both parties. Not a bad idea at all, I certainly hope there are other ideas like this floated in the mtgs. What I like about this idea is it at least gives the players a means to look to the future. I'm not taking sides in saying this, but overall the players approach has always been about getting the biggest contracts possible, but at the same time that reduces pay for the avg. player.

Well it also shorts them as group on what Cornwell calls investment. The 1 bil that gets scraped off the top he calls "investment" with no tangible return (or very difficult to quantify return). That's the part that is broken. The players give back that 1bil in the name of helping the game but then they have no reason to know whether the 1bil lines the owners' pockets or really does "help" keep the game going.

CRedskinsRule · 03-11-2011, 01:44 PM

So the NFL has given another proposal to the players. I imagine this is there "last-best" offer, and the one they intend to try to enforce if decertification happens.

SOUL-SKINS · 03-11-2011, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

So the NFL has given another proposal to the players. I imagine this is there "last-best" offer, and the one they intend to try to enforce if decertification happens.

CRedskinsRule..........Youre like me. Stressed out about this. Some other people that I know are wearing blinders. Thinking that there will never be a lockout. Its real folks. Its real and i'm f'ing pissed. D Smith is being alittle redic if you ask me. I know people say this all the time but I truly do live for Skins football. Its my life. Sad but true. Its all I talk about. I'm just hoping with get a shortened season atleast. Who knows

FRPLG · 03-11-2011, 01:56 PM

I think the players seem far too willing to blow this up considering they have a decent shot at not gaining much. The SC in the American Needle case did acknowledge the necessity for a sports league to enact controls that foster parity and competitive balance. While they stopped short of declaring it one entity they did grant them a path to coordinate certain activities as one entity. If they decertify ans sue they have to sue over everything. It'll cost them a lot and they may gain some flexibility but not a lot.

freddyg12 · 03-11-2011, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SOUL-SKINS

CRedskinsRule..........Youre like me. Stressed out about this. Some other people that I know are wearing blinders. Thinking that there will never be a lockout. Its real folks. Its real and i'm f'ing pissed. D Smith is being alittle redic if you ask me. I know people say this all the time but I truly do live for Skins football. Its my life. Sad but true. Its all I talk about. I'm just hoping with get a shortened season atleast. Who knows

Soul-Skins, sounds like you have more to lose than any of em!

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03-10-2011, 08:57 PM	#256
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: Ongoing CBA discussions NFL labor talks appear to be near collapse __________________ A revolution is coming and it will be televised.

03-11-2011, 10:12 AM	#259
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 58 Posts: 21,597	Re: Ongoing CBA discussions oh Happy Day! Smiles available, only $800mill

03-11-2011, 10:24 AM	#260
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: Ongoing CBA discussions Mike Golic said yesterday it looks like its headed to court. He & Mike G. said that the public comments were a pretty strong sign that the positive gains made by having the mediator were already eroding, and that both sides resumed their attempts to win public support. I understand why both sides want public support, but if it heads to court, that isn't going to matter unless you have a very unprofessional judge. I have to agree w/Mike & Mike, based on the info we're looking at now, this thing is headed to court. I've heard 6 months as a time for it to get to court, which puts us right at the beginning of the season. Maybe we'll see some games by Nov.?

03-11-2011, 10:33 AM	#261
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03-11-2011, 11:34 AM	#263
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 58 Posts: 21,597	Re: Ongoing CBA discussions Probably the best quick hits explanation of the various legal tactics both sides can use: Gabriel A. Feldman: NFL Lockout: The Legal Issues Behind the NFL-CBA Negotiations

03-11-2011, 11:53 AM	#264
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: Ongoing CBA discussions David Cornwell proposes a new player compensation model \| ProFootballTalk This makes the first best case for siding with the players to me. Until I read this a few times and noodled it I was a slight lean towards the owners. Now I am much more inclined to understand the logical desires of the players side. I can't find a hole in his explanation although I don't know that the solutions he presents are practical.

03-11-2011, 01:44 PM	#267
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 58 Posts: 21,597	Re: Ongoing CBA discussions So the NFL has given another proposal to the players. I imagine this is there "last-best" offer, and the one they intend to try to enforce if decertification happens.

03-11-2011, 01:56 PM	#269
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: Ongoing CBA discussions I think the players seem far too willing to blow this up considering they have a decent shot at not gaining much. The SC in the American Needle case did acknowledge the necessity for a sports league to enact controls that foster parity and competitive balance. While they stopped short of declaring it one entity they did grant them a path to coordinate certain activities as one entity. If they decertify ans sue they have to sue over everything. It'll cost them a lot and they may gain some flexibility but not a lot.

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