Meet The Candidates: 2012 GOP Thread

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Big buy of votes at the expense of tax payers and Americans who's jobs they are taking just to send the money to Mexico. Obama will do anything for votes he is a scum sucker.

What Obama did is the right thing to do policy wise and politically. What he did was beyond genius because most people support it and it pits the GOP against Latinos voters.

We know where Obama stands...where does Romney stand? We don't know because he wants to play both-sides, Latinos and your run of the mill conservative voter, and it will ultimately doom him.


The dance-off has clear winners and losers, and let me tell you it ain't Obama or the American public...and once Romney is thrashed you can add yourself to the loser count column.

[12thMan]

Per Bloomberg poll, Americans favor the immigration shift by 2-1. Indie voters by a margin of 66% to 24%.

Also knocked Marco Rubio out of the running for Veep. What a power move.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Per Bloomberg poll, Americans favor the immigration shift by 2-1. Indie voters by a margin of 66% to 24%.

Also knocked Marco Rubio out of the running for Veep. What a power move.

Clinton-like.


I agree with the Pres on this one, but one day we should address illegal immigration head on. Our government has been epic fail on the issue, whether its Dem or Rep, President or Congress..they have failed us again.

[12thMan]

FYI: The Dream Act passed Congress this year and failed in the Senate by 5 votes. People tend to forget that.

Secondly, a large immigration bill won't pass Congress. Has to be done piece meal. The DREAM Act was a very doable and logical first step in that direction. Obama did the right thing, even though this is a temporary solution.

[12thMan]

I'll add, our government hasn't failed us on immigration. A handful in Congress have though. I suspect we'll see something passed in the next term.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I'll add, our government hasn't failed us on immigration. A handful in Congress have though. I suspect we'll see something passed in the next term.

well i guess we will fail until then? Our government has failed, we have accumalated a ton of people here illegally.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

well i guess we will fail until then? Our government has failed, we have accumalated a ton of people here illegally.

And we've deported a ton too -- millions. Border crossings are at there lowest in something like 30 years. We're getting there, still a big problem though.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

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[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

And we've deported a ton too -- millions. Border crossings are at there lowest in something like 30 years. We're getting there, still a big problem though.

This move by Obama is straight pandering to hispanic voters, nothing more. A year ago Obama told La Raza that he couldn't do this without Congress....but in an election year funny how stuff gets done.

Also, by Obama Admin stats border apprehensions are down, but apprehensions go down when ICE and BP agents are told to minimize arrests or are not deployed to high traffic areas.

Obama Administration Statistics on Illegal Immigration Are Misleading

You're a smart guy, use the #1 rule of thumb; "follow the money". Check the last part of the link: "As further proof that illegal immigrants aren’t leaving America, “Statistics from the Bank of Mexico, that country’s largest bank, showed that remittances totaled $3.29 billion in January and February, up 7.9 percent over the same period last year. Remittances to Mexico are on a pace to total about $19.7 billion this year, according to the recent reports.”

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

This move by Obama is straight pandering to hispanic voters, nothing more. A year ago Obama told La Raza that he couldn't do this without Congress....but in an election year funny how stuff gets done.

Also, by Obama Admin stats border apprehensions are down, but apprehensions go down when ICE and BP agents are told to minimize arrests or are not deployed to high traffic areas.

Obama Administration Statistics on Illegal Immigration Are Misleading

You're a smart guy, use the #1 rule of thumb; "follow the money". Check the last part of the link: "As further proof that illegal immigrants aren’t leaving America, “Statistics from the Bank of Mexico, that country’s largest bank, showed that remittances totaled $3.29 billion in January and February, up 7.9 percent over the same period last year. Remittances to Mexico are on a pace to total about $19.7 billion this year, according to the recent reports.”

He has been trying to pass the Dream Act forever and doing exactly what Ronald Reagan did which is find a good solution to a difficult problem.

Pandering is what politicians do and on that note I give you Romney speaking at NAACP convention this year.

[12thMan]

Yes, the basis is for a crime but it can be for something as petty as weed.

[12thMan]

Yeah the whole Obama's playing politics and pandering excuse is weak as hell. Even if it's true, he didn't just jump up last weak and starting talking about the DREAM Act. He's been pounding the drum for a solid two years now.

Truth is Romney and the Repubs could have done their part to shape legislation. They've squandered a huge opportunity to garner their share. Good for Obama, good for Dems, and good for the country.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Yeah the whole Obama's playing politics and pandering excuse is weak as hell. Even if it's true, he didn't just jump up last weak and starting talking about the DREAM Act. He's been pounding the drum for a solid two years now.

Truth is Romney and the Repubs could have done their part to shape legislation. They've squandered a huge opportunity to garner their share. Good for Obama, good for Dems, and good for the country.

Pandering & politics is what this is, pure and simple. If Obama really cared about the immigration issue and wasn't using this as election year leverage (his order expires in two years), why not let Rubio, who can bridge the gap between anti-immigration conservatives and the Hispanic community make this work with long term policy/law. He could sign it into law and still take credit.

This will turn out to be another miscalculation by Obama as there won't be a bump in the Latino vote percentages because of this in Nov. They'll stay where they are and I expect Romney will actuall close the gap in the Latino vote by Nov.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Pandering & politics is what this is, pure and simple. If Obama really cared about the immigration issue and wasn't using this as election year leverage (his order expires in two years), why not let Rubio, who can bridge the gap between anti-immigration conservatives and the Hispanic community make this work with long term policy/law. He could sign it into law and still take credit.

This will turn out to be another miscalculation by Obama as there won't be a bump in the Latino vote percentages because of this in Nov. They'll stay where they are and I expect Romney will actuall close the gap in the Latino vote by Nov.

If you really cared about the truth you would know Obama did exactly that back in December 2010 and the bill died when it was filibuster by senate Republicans.

Rubio may not have been there for the vote but it's hard to imagine the result would be any different this time around given that a) there are more Republican senators, b) it was 5 votes short last time time and c) there has been plenty of time since then to introduce another bill and put it to a vote. The GOP is all cattle and no hat when it comes to the Dream Act and since all it takes to kill anything is 41 Republican senators it highly unlikely that Rubio is going to make a dent.


It is time for those Republican Senators and the GOP stop whining, man-up and eat their dog food.

[12thMan]

So Mitt's not sure when he worked for Bain Capital, huh? Won't release his taxes.

He's in a serious pickle.