What If?

firstdown · 05-02-2005, 09:55 AM

I thought Gibbs made it pretty clear that it was an open compition for QB. Now if when Brunell came in and all of the attention and reps went to Brunell than thats a laget argument. I thought things were split about 50/50 at first until they decided who the starter was.

cpayne5 · 05-02-2005, 09:59 AM

With the kind of emphasis Gibbs puts on the QB position, there is no way he'd trade Ramsey if he has a good year.

firstdown · 05-02-2005, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I know that Betts was also brushed aside when Portis showed up, but I don't recall Betts being drafted as our #1 back (even though I really like the way the guy runs).

I like Betts too but we should all agree that was a definite upgrade. I do think Gibbs needs to get Betts more involved in the game.

Defensewins · 05-02-2005, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by offiss

Yes and no, I think the only one in the organazation that hasen't been loyal to Ramsey is Gibbs, not that he owed Patrick anything, I just feel Gibbs pretty much brushed Patrick aside last year without giving him any real consideration. Remember Patrick is Danny's boy, he drafted him, Snyder also didn't want Brunell in here either, and in all liklyhood it was because he believed in Patrick, but as of now the organazation stop's with Gibbs, so yes Patrick has to do backflip's to get some respect from Gibbs.

Loyal?
Didn't Ramsey have a terrible preseason? Didn't Brunell play better than Ramsey during the preseason? Gibbs even gave Ramsey a start or two in the preseason and gave him a fair /even chance at the starting position. When it was time for Ramsey to prove himself ON THE FIELD, he failed miserably this last preseason.
Loyalty has to be earned. You do not get loyalty just because you are a first round pick. IF it worked that way we would still have Heath Shuler as our starter and we would have never drafted Ramsey.

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-02-2005, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

I like Betts too but we should all agree that was a definite upgrade. I do think Gibbs needs to get Betts more involved in the game.

To clarify, Portis is the best runner by far. I'm just saying I've liked the way Betts has played even when overshadowed by a premier back like Portis.

BDBohnzie · 05-02-2005, 10:37 AM

it is definitely a make or break year for Ramsey. if he has a good year, he'll be back next season, to give Campbell that much more time to prepare himself. beyond this season and next is a crap shoot at best. Guys like Marino, Montana, Young just don't come about anymore. the closest we have now is Brady, McNabb, Manning, and Culpepper, and they aren't in the upper echelon just yet. if the Skins can get 2 good seasons out of Ramsey, and prepare Campbell for the future, then Gibbs will be set at the QB position.

If Ramsey has a crappy year, the Skins will be rebuilding once again, and will be looking for another QB to mold into a Gibbs QB while Campbell and Brunell take the reins.

firstdown · 05-02-2005, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

To clarify, Portis is the best runner by far. I'm just saying I've liked the way Betts has played even when overshadowed by a premier back like Portis.

I agree and I knew what you ment in your first post.

firstdown · 05-02-2005, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

Loyal?
Didn't Ramsey have a terrible preseason? Didn't Brunell play better than Ramsey during the preseason? Gibbs even gave Ramsey a start or two in the preseason and gave him a fair /even chance at the starting position. When it was time for Ramsey to prove himself ON THE FIELD, he failed miserably this last preseason.
Loyalty has to be earned. You do not get loyalty just because you are a first round pick. IF it worked that way we would still have Heath Shuler as our starter and we would have never drafted Ramsey.

I totaly agree, that was the same point I made in my post. He was given the opportunity and he just failed to make the most of it. I just hope he can prove himself this year and solidify the starting roll and we don't have to have these threeds about who our starting QB is for the next six to seven years. We as a team need to have a solid satrter and leader to build around. Not this who sould we try next year end and year out.

Grayacre · 05-02-2005, 11:08 AM

Perhaps Ramsey did have a fair shot at being the starter heading into the preseason, but I doubt it. Given the size of Brunell's contract, I find it very hard to believe that Gibbs believed at the outset that there was a 50/50 chance that Brunell would be riding the pine. It seems far more likely that there was a presumption that Brunell would be starting, unless Ramsey really lit things up during the preseason. In other words, it may be true that Ramsey had a chance to start -- but not an even chance.

As for this year, I think that Ramsey will fulfill more of his potential. Unfortunately, I'd have to agree w/the folks that say he's unlikely to stay when his contract expires. Given the lack of confidence that this team has shown in him, I can't say that I'd blame him for taking the first bus out of town ...

Red Robert · 05-02-2005, 11:10 AM

What we want here is a Drew Brees situation. If Ramsey blows up that is what we all want. Take us to the playoffs, let Campbell develop. I worry about 2006 when it comes. I just hope Ramsey gets it done. This is a problem I would be happy to have.

Defensewins · 05-02-2005, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

.... Guys like Marino, Montana, Young just don't come about anymore. the closest we have now is Brady, McNabb, Manning, and Culpepper, and they aren't in the upper echelon just yet....

Roethlisberger had a good start of his career last year, looking good so far. Best rookie year of any NFL QB yet.
If the Colts ever get a defense (Defense wins championships) Manning could be one the greats like Montana.

MTK · 05-02-2005, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

Loyal?
Didn't Ramsey have a terrible preseason? Didn't Brunell play better than Ramsey during the preseason? Gibbs even gave Ramsey a start or two in the preseason and gave him a fair /even chance at the starting position. When it was time for Ramsey to prove himself ON THE FIELD, he failed miserably this last preseason.
Loyalty has to be earned. You do not get loyalty just because you are a first round pick. IF it worked that way we would still have Heath Shuler as our starter and we would have never drafted Ramsey.

I agree, Ramsey didn't do much to convince the staff last preseason that he should be the starter. Neither did Brunell, difference was Brunell was a proven vet and for Gibbs that meant alot.

Now coming into camp this year, Ramsey has proven that he can operate Gibbs' offense and he's begun to be a guy the staff believes can lead the team.

Defensewins · 05-02-2005, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

.....Now coming into camp this year, Ramsey has proven that he can operate Gibbs' offense and he's begun to be a guy the staff believes can lead the team.

I agree, and Ramsey earned/proved that to Gibbs on the playing field. Something Ramsey could not do last preseason.

skinsguy · 05-02-2005, 12:24 PM

Ramsey didn't impress me one bit in last year's preseason - nor - did Mark Brunell. Neither guy looked like someone who could lead a team to the playoffs. I think Ramsey does have the ability, but he's going to have to prove it this season. Who knows, Brunell may come out and look like the Brunell of old....I'm not holding my breath, but now that would be very interesting.

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-02-2005, 12:26 PM

I hope we never get to see Brunell "come out". I'd love to see Campbell straight up, beat him up for the #2 position.

05-02-2005, 09:55 AM	#16
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 62 Posts: 15,817	Re: What If? I thought Gibbs made it pretty clear that it was an open compition for QB. Now if when Brunell came in and all of the attention and reps went to Brunell than thats a laget argument. I thought things were split about 50/50 at first until they decided who the starter was.

05-02-2005, 09:59 AM	#17
cpayne5 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,807	Re: What If? With the kind of emphasis Gibbs puts on the QB position, there is no way he'd trade Ramsey if he has a good year. __________________ "It's not about what you've done, but what's been done for you."

05-02-2005, 10:37 AM	#21
BDBohnzie Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Frederick, MD Age: 47 Posts: 4,628	Re: What If? it is definitely a make or break year for Ramsey. if he has a good year, he'll be back next season, to give Campbell that much more time to prepare himself. beyond this season and next is a crap shoot at best. Guys like Marino, Montana, Young just don't come about anymore. the closest we have now is Brady, McNabb, Manning, and Culpepper, and they aren't in the upper echelon just yet. if the Skins can get 2 good seasons out of Ramsey, and prepare Campbell for the future, then Gibbs will be set at the QB position. If Ramsey has a crappy year, the Skins will be rebuilding once again, and will be looking for another QB to mold into a Gibbs QB while Campbell and Brunell take the reins. __________________ Bad Things man, I mean bad things... “WE TOOK HIM IN THE SIXTH ROUND SO WE'RE NOT SMART EITHER.” - Shanny on what the Skins saw in Alfred Morris

05-02-2005, 11:08 AM	#24
Grayacre Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Arlington Posts: 35	Re: What If? Perhaps Ramsey did have a fair shot at being the starter heading into the preseason, but I doubt it. Given the size of Brunell's contract, I find it very hard to believe that Gibbs believed at the outset that there was a 50/50 chance that Brunell would be riding the pine. It seems far more likely that there was a presumption that Brunell would be starting, unless Ramsey really lit things up during the preseason. In other words, it may be true that Ramsey had a chance to start -- but not an even chance. As for this year, I think that Ramsey will fulfill more of his potential. Unfortunately, I'd have to agree w/the folks that say he's unlikely to stay when his contract expires. Given the lack of confidence that this team has shown in him, I can't say that I'd blame him for taking the first bus out of town ...

05-02-2005, 11:10 AM	#25
Red Robert Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Charlotte, NC Age: 56 Posts: 306	Re: What If? What we want here is a Drew Brees situation. If Ramsey blows up that is what we all want. Take us to the playoffs, let Campbell develop. I worry about 2006 when it comes. I just hope Ramsey gets it done. This is a problem I would be happy to have. __________________ I am tired of being a special teams ace, but I really have nothing to say.

05-02-2005, 12:24 PM	#29
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: What If? Ramsey didn't impress me one bit in last year's preseason - nor - did Mark Brunell. Neither guy looked like someone who could lead a team to the playoffs. I think Ramsey does have the ability, but he's going to have to prove it this season. Who knows, Brunell may come out and look like the Brunell of old....I'm not holding my breath, but now that would be very interesting. __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

05-02-2005, 12:26 PM	#30
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: What If? I hope we never get to see Brunell "come out". I'd love to see Campbell straight up, beat him up for the #2 position. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

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