Tampa Bay vs Washington Gameday Thread

[apiatt]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Wow the Beck bandwagon got a little lighter after this game, huh?

I think some people forget he's only played 4 regular season games with a 0-9 team. He's basically a slightly older rookie out there.

No kidding, we already know what Rex is anyway. It's not like this is a certain playoff team no matter who plays QB. We might as well let Beck play and see if he can realize some of that potential.

[VegasSkinsFan]

My only problem with beck is that let's say he does have a ton of potential and that he realizes it this year. He'll be 31 next year, how many more years can we reasonably expect to get out of him.

I view both as stopgaps with Rex being a more known quantity. If beck was 25 or 26 I would want him without question. I can't think developing a qb in his 30s is going to work out for us long term. Even if he's Joe Montana this year we will still need to draft a qb in the next couple years.

I waiver back and forth on if it would be better for us to flop this year and start over with a 1st round qb or if we can win by having more game manager qbs.

[Swarley]

Rich Gannon didn't flourish until he was like 34. It can be done.

[saden1]

Was at the game...great defense, great special teams, great offensive line play. It is going to be tough to make the cut. Out with the old, in with the new.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by VegasSkinsFan

My only problem with beck is that let's say he does have a ton of potential and that he realizes it this year. He'll be 31 next year, how many more years can we reasonably expect to get out of him.

I view both as stopgaps with Rex being a more known quantity. If beck was 25 or 26 I would want him without question. I can't think developing a qb in his 30s is going to work out for us long term. Even if he's Joe Montana this year we will still need to draft a qb in the next couple years.

I waiver back and forth on if it would be better for us to flop this year and start over with a 1st round qb or if we can win by having more game manager qbs.

Yeah and in addition to Gannon, and speaking of Montana, Steve Young turned 30 or 31 during his blow up season (depending what season you consider is his blow up season).... And was more like a Mike Vick style QB who scrambled a lot and i would think has a shorter self life then a more pocket oriented passer.

Age doesnt mean a whole lot to me, part of the reason i say we should keep Stallworth over Paul. Age is important but not the only thing....

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by GreekSkin

Rich Gannon didn't flourish until he was like 34. It can be done.

Doug Wililams and Mark Rypien took us to the SB later in their careers.

[VegasSkinsFan]

I'm not saying it can't be done, but young, williams, rypien, and Gannon all had considerable starting experience, maybe not in wins but all of them had at least a couple years of starting under their belt when they then broke out.

Gannon started 58 games before he went to the raiders

Young started 41 games between usfl, bucs, and 49ers before he took over for Montana.

Williams played 66 games before coming to the skins and even took the bucs to the playoffs in 79

Rypien was 29 when we won the super bowl with him an had 30 starts prior to that year.


My point on beck is that he's old without the prior starting experience that some of the other late bloomers. I think it will take him a year or two to be great and at that point he'll be close to mid 30s

[mlmpetert]

^I agree with you a lot. Its sucks not having a elite qb or a great developmental young guy. But theres not really anything that could have been done this year.

And honestly im not really worried about who we use for QB; Beck or Grossman. I would go as far to say that either QB used in our system will put us in better shape than the quarterback situation about 10 or so other teams are facing. I guess the caveat to that is our QB situation comes across as more of a short term fix while a lot of other teams are hoping they are developing their next franchise guy.

Its really really hard to get a good qb. Beck never really had a good opportunity. I think Grossman is a mediocre, although inconsistent, qb who like any okay qb could be really good if in the right system (maybe our system?).

Only about half the league has good qbs. Only about 6 or 7 have excellent qbs. You got to get a little lucky to have a top 10 qb, especially one that that remains in the excellent/good status for more than a couple years. Maybe well have one sometime soon, but in the meantime im cool with what we got.

*on a side note, I wish we never traded for McNabb and not just for the obvious reasons. I would love to see Cambell in this situation, behind our current line, with our WR mix and running game....

[Bucket]

Since when was 30 old? lol... He just turned 30, and it's not like he's taking a beating. He still has fresh legs from the look of it, and works hard. If he starts for us the next two years with this team then something special could happen

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Since when was 30 old? lol... He just turned 30, and it's not like he's taking a beating. He still has fresh legs from the look of it, and works hard. If he starts for us the next two years with this team then something special could happen

If this guy gets on a roll and stays relatively healthy, he could easily play another 6 or 7 years.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

If this guy gets on a roll and stays relatively healthy, he could easily play another 6 or 7 years.

I'll glady take a "much fresher" Rich Gannon clone.