'Occupy' types

[mlmpetert]

A 1 Percenter's thoughts:

Peter Schiff takes on 'The 99%' | MRCTV

Peter Schiff takes on 'The 99%', Part 2 | MRCTV

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by hooskins

How dare you not have a polarized option!

i sicken myself....

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Now why would anyone think you hate corporations?

Listen. I've been upfront with my beef with corporations. My beef with corporations is over their influence in our government and our NEWS.


Get that? Good. Let's not make me repeat this for the 100th time.

[hooskins]

SS,

I hope you are trying to make the point that all of these movements have people in them that are dumb. I really rather not start posting YouTube videos at Tea Party rallies.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

A 1 Percenter's thoughts:

Peter Schiff takes on 'The 99%', Part 2 | MRCTV

His claim that he was paying more income taxes than the majority of the people around is not quite truthful. The overall number may be more, but I am willing to guarantee you that the people around him are paying a higher percentage of their salary to taxes then he is.

See, that's what wealthy people do. They like to take a statistic and skew it so it makes them look like the good guy.


Rich guy makes 100,000,000 and pays 1% tax so he pays $1,000,000 in taxes. Middle class guy makes $50,000 and pays 30% in taxes so he pays $15,000 in taxes. So in the end the rich guy pays more, but is he paying his fair share? Hell no...lol He's paying 1% as compared to the guy paying 30%.

(those numbers were used as an example)


Also, his claim that don't tax corporations because they pass it along to consumers. Well, that may be true, but it's not like they are going to reduce the price of the product even if you don't reduce the taxes. Corporations have shown since the Regan era that reducing taxes does nothing but get them higher profit wages. The livelihood of the middle class man has pretty much stayed the same if not gotten worse.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

To echo SS, we have all made choices that reflect what we want in life and what were willing to do to get it. Would i like to be a billionaire CEO and have multiple vacation homes. Sure. But i personally have not done the things required to get to that point, nor am willing to put in the effort and time or take the chance to one day get there, its just not all that important to me.

yeah thats me to. im not out to work harder than everyone else so i can be a millionaire. i dont want a mansion, i dont want multiple high end cars.

i want to work, be good at my job and be paid accordingly (70k plus bonus to increase with inflation/cost of living). i want to be able to leave work at 5-6 most days, have dinner with the kids, if i want to go to disneyworld i will plan and save a few months ahead, send the kid to state college if he doesnt get a scholarship, by the time im 45 have a house big enough for a guest bedroom, have decent healthcare, play golf on saturdays and drink beer on sundays.

that is the american dream and im an american.

what i dont need is BofA scamming me out of my money when im low on funds. what i dont need is being overly taxed b/c govt cant control themselves and give benefits to their corporate friends.

build hospitals and schools with my tax money, not bombs and schools in iraq. **** iraq.

taxes already take what? 45% of our paychecks off the break. then they tax me 4.5k in property tax for a city that cant fill a pot hole and hire police that cut in line and treat you like shit.

[hooskins]

There is one thing I do disagree with when it comes to criticizing OWS. I think they are effective, in that we are talking about this and they are getting great media coverage. In terms of creating real and lasting change, that is yet to be seen but they clearly have an impact. That's why I think a lot of people think it's way too simplistic to just paint them as hippies who will never make any impact. (Just like it is too simplistic to paint the Tea Party as religious right wing nutjobs).

Like Lotus said, the movement reflects a general feeling of distrust and anger towards our government, which I think something members in the Right and Left share. OWS simply isn't going to go away based on police patrols and tear gas. As mentioned before, it would be interesting to see if they do start organizing a bit more in terms of concrete goals and measures.

I may just be repeating points in different ways, but I think it's wrong to say OWS is completely ineffective.

[over the mountain]

i might just join occupy baltimore this sunday . . .drunk. im kinda pissed off right now and im sober.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

OVERDRAFT FEES BY BANK OF AMERICA


a third kick in the nuts. BofA bought my freakin home mortgage the second i bought a house. those bastards.

Details on Filing Claims for BofA Overdraft Settlement Arrive-

Hey guys. I hear protesting doesn't work.

Big Banks Decide Against Debit Card Fees - Chase, Citigroup not following Bank of America's lead


Oh wait.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

i might just join occupy baltimore this sunday . . .drunk. im kinda pissed off right now and im sober.

I'd go while the game on.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by hooskins

There is one thing I do disagree with when it comes to criticizing OWS. I think they are effective, in that we are talking about this and they are getting great media coverage. In terms of creating real and lasting change, that is yet to be seen but they clearly have an impact. That's why I think a lot of people think it's way too simplistic to just paint them as hippies who will never make any impact. (Just like it is too simplistic to paint the Tea Party as religious right wing nutjobs).

Like Lotus said, the movement reflects a general feeling of distrust and anger towards our government, which I think something members in the Right and Left share. OWS simply isn't going to go away based on police patrols and tear gas. As mentioned before, it would be interesting to see if they do start organizing a bit more in terms of concrete goals and measures.

I may just be repeating points in different ways, but I think it's wrong to say OWS is completely ineffective.

Well said, I would agree. The question that, however, looms is "Okay, where do we go from here?" Two more months of standing in the park creating a health hazard and disrupting traffic gets us where? In a little over one year, their will be a significant election - an opportunity to effect some real change, if only on an incremental scale. What's the plan guys? Get out of the park and get some folks out there who can be in a position to effect change - the time is now.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Hey guys. I hear protesting doesn't work.

Big Banks Decide Against Debit Card Fees - Chase, Citigroup not following Bank of America's lead


Oh wait.

i saw this, havent read up on it yet. ive threatened to leave BofA before but they bank on people like me going for the lazy convenient way.

since they bought out my mortgage its nice to just transfer over money from my checking to pay monthly.

bastards i really want to switch.

[NC_Skins]

Yeah guys. All this media coverage I see shows these guys to be stupid, and want free shit. *rolls eyes*


Try reading this:


BBC News - The start of something new?

The people I talk to are earnest, intelligent and mostly young.

Most of the coverage of the Occupy movements that I have seen suggests the movement is incoherent in its demands.

Not in Nashville. In one way or another, everyone I talk to says the problem is that big corporations dictate politics in America.

Now. Look at this media compared to the trash you guys are looking at. Now you see why I have such disdain for corporate media in America?

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

His claim that he was paying more income taxes than the majority of the people around is not quite truthful. The overall number may be more, but I am willing to guarantee you that the people around him are paying a higher percentage of their salary to taxes then he is.

See, that's what wealthy people do. They like to take a statistic and skew it so it makes them look like the good guy.

Also, his claim that don't tax corporations because they pass it along to consumers. Well, that may be true, but it's not like they are going to reduce the price of the product even if you don't reduce the taxes. Corporations have shown since the Regan era that reducing taxes does nothing but get them higher profit wages. The livelihood of the middle class man has pretty much stayed the same if not gotten worse.

I see your guarantee and raise you the IRS's guarantee that your wrong:



How Much Money Do The Top Income Earners Make By Percentage? | Financial Samurai

1 Percenters on average like Peter Schiff pay 23.27% of their income to taxes, while us 99 percenters on average pay less then 12.24%. Lets say the IRS is wrong though and the all the poeple around him do pay a higher percent then he does, would you support a flat tax so that everyone, regardless of social class, is treated equally?

And if you replaced "wealthy" with anyother minority or even majority group of people it sounds pretty conspiracy theoryish or hatefull. Jut sayin

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Hey guys. I hear protesting doesn't work.

Big Banks Decide Against Debit Card Fees - Chase, Citigroup not following Bank of America's lead


Oh wait.

Where and when has anyone suggested that "protesting doesn't work"? Effective, relevant and goal oriented protesting has always been an effective way of creating change. In this case, the protest was incredibly effective b/c it had a specific goal and manifesting the protest by creating an tangible economic measure - loss of customers.

There was a specific goal: eliminate fees, and a specific course of action directly relevant to that goal: take your money out of a bank that imposes fees. Simple, easy and direct.

Right now, as Lotus eloquently pointed out earlier and others have reiterated, OWS simply has not articulated a goal that can be accomplished - not a simple one, not a complex one. Rather, right now, it is just people complaining about problems and that is not, and has never been, an effective way to protest.