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[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I am always higly amused at the general opinion of many fan bases of their idiot, know nothing, etc....owners. I'm thinking...you do know this dude is a self-made Billionaire? He may actually know a thing or two....

Believe me, I will be the first to acknowledge that the folks who own NFL teams are intelligent people who know an awful lot about the business world - - plenty more than a thing or two.

I do draw a distinction between "being smart and knowledgeable" and "knowing football" in the sense that the very rich owner can actually sit down and discuss "football" with his head coach or his assistants. The majority of NFL owners cannot do that without a lot of tolerance on the part of the coaches involved.

The only two owners in the NFL that I can think of who played football at the elite college level or at the pro level are Jerry Jones and Jerry Richardson.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

The only two owners in the NFL that I can think of who played football at the elite college level or at the pro level are Jerry Jones and Jerry Richardson.

You need to add Mike Brown to that list. He is the son of the great Paul Brown after all, and no doubt has had his share of football knowledge passed on to him.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You need to add Mike Brown to that list. He is the son of the great Paul Brown after all, and no doubt has had his share of football knowledge passed on to him.

Sorry, I ignored your screed above this posting but now you have descended to the level of Lysenkoism. [Google is your friend if you don't know what Lysenkoism is or who Lysenko was...]

No one inherits football knowledge just by being around someone who coached/played football. If that were true, Kyle Shanahan and Brian Schottenheimer would be a whole lot better as offensive coordinators than they have shown themselves to be.

The fact that Jerry Jones played on a national championship football team 50 years ago means that he brings something to his decsionmaking and analysis that other owners cannot bring to their decisionmaking and analysis. That does not mean that he is better than they are; that does not mean he will not make plenty of mistaken judgments; what it does mean is that he knows things they do not know because they never did what he did. If you cannot see that difference clearly, then there is no point in trying to use logic in a discussion with you.

Jerry Jones appears to make decisions that are not totally analytical; he seems to let his ego and his glands take over his decisionmaking processes more than once in a while. That has been a significant problem for the Cowboys' organization in the last decade or so.

As to Jones only being successful when Jimmy Johnson or Bill Parcells was on the scene - - BTW, do not forget that Barry Switzer has a Super Bowl Ring from the Cowboys too - - who was it that decided to bring Johnson and Parcells to Dallas?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

No one inherits football knowledge just by being around someone who coached/played football. If that were true, Kyle Shanahan and Brian Schottenheimer would be a whole lot better as offensive coordinators than they have shown themselves to be.

I didn't imply that he just magically inherited this knowledge. I'm willing to bet my life on the fact that Mike Brown watched game film with his dad, went to practices, watched other coaches, and that is where he got his football knowledge over the course of his life. So let's not put Mike Brown and Jerry Jones even on the same level when it comes to football knowledge. I imagine that Mike Brown has forgotten more about football, than Jerry will ever know. So does this knowledge make him a great owner/GM? Hell no. One of the most knowledgeable people in the league was Al Davis and he was a horrible owner/GM the past decade.

I think you are selling Kyle and Brian short on your assumptions. No offense, but they know more about football than me and you will ever know. (even us combined)

Jerry's college football experience 50 years ago is irrelevant. The fact still remains is most of his life, he was doing something else besides football, so him trying to come in and make football decisions is mind boggling and stupid. Do I think he's a idiot? Of course not. I think Jerry's absorbed a ton of information over the course of 1998, but that still doesn't mean he's qualified to be a GM either.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I didn't imply that he just magically inherited this knowledge. I'm willing to bet my life on the fact that Mike Brown watched game film with his dad, went to practices, watched other coaches, and that is where he got his football knowledge over the course of his life. So let's not put Mike Brown and Jerry Jones even on the same level when it comes to football knowledge. I imagine that Mike Brown has forgotten more about football, than Jerry will ever know. So does this knowledge make him a great owner/GM? Hell no. One of the most knowledgeable people in the league was Al Davis and he was a horrible owner/GM the past decade.

I think you are selling Kyle and Brian short on your assumptions. No offense, but they know more about football than me and you will ever know. (even us combined)

Jerry's college football experience 50 years ago is irrelevant. The fact still remains is most of his life, he was doing something else besides football, so him trying to come in and make football decisions is mind boggling and stupid. Do I think he's a idiot? Of course not. I think Jerry's absorbed a ton of information over the course of 1998, but that still doesn't mean he's qualified to be a GM either.

By your logic, the Shula kids should have been GREAT coaches because we KNOW that they spent time with Dad watching film and being part of the team and all that apprenticeship stuff. You only surmise that Mike Brown did that and thereby learned about football.

Both Shula kids failed as coaches despite their heritage, their immersion in the game etc. One does not necessarily absorb knowledge and comptence just by being around knowledgeable and competent folks. If it were so, there would be only brilliant people coming out of universities.

Look, you can dislike Jerry Jones all you want because he owns the Cowboys and he has upstaged Danny Boy on more than one front over the years. I will even agree with you that his decisions as GM for the Cowboys have been spotty at best. But to say he is a know-nothing makes little sense.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

By your logic, the Shula kids should have been GREAT coaches because we KNOW that they spent time with Dad watching film and being part of the team and all that apprenticeship stuff. You only surmise that Mike Brown did that and thereby learned about football.

Both Shula kids failed as coaches despite their heritage, their immersion in the game etc. One does not necessarily absorb knowledge and comptence just by being around knowledgeable and competent folks. If it were so, there would be only brilliant people coming out of universities.

Look, you can dislike Jerry Jones all you want because he owns the Cowboys and he has upstaged Danny Boy on more than one front over the years. I will even agree with you that his decisions as GM for the Cowboys have been spotty at best. But to say he is a know-nothing makes little sense.

Apparently you didn't read what I said.

So does this knowledge make him a great owner/GM? Hell no. One of the most knowledgeable people in the league was Al Davis and he was a horrible owner/GM the past decade.

<---in referencing Mike Brown/Al Davis


I clearly made the point that just because you have the knowledge doesn't mean you are going to succeed.


You guys act like all it takes is great football smarts and BAM they are a instant success. Every coach in the NFL will tell you flat out that it takes a lot of luck. LUCK. CHANCE. Random factors that are beyond a coaches control. Injuries, players reaching his full potential beyond coaching, players available, impatient owners, etc..


There are so many other variables out there that go beyond just having "knowledge" in that area. You can be the smartest football mind in the world and still be dealt a bad hand and you fail. You could be a average football mind and be dealt a great hand and be legendary. It happens in life all the time.

I don't hate Jerry Jones and as a Skins fan, I want him to continue destroying the Dallas Cowboys. Yes, he knows a hell of a lot more than Dan Snyder, but he's still not qualified to be a GM based on his lack of experience/coaching throughout his life. If Jerry didn't own his own team, he wouldn't sniff a GM's position in the NFL.


Also, the Shula kids know more about football than you and I.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Apparently you didn't read what I said.

<---in referencing Mike Brown/Al Davis


I clearly made the point that just because you have the knowledge doesn't mean you are going to succeed.


You guys act like all it takes is great football smarts and BAM they are a instant success. Every coach in the NFL will tell you flat out that it takes a lot of luck. LUCK. CHANCE. Random factors that are beyond a coaches control. Injuries, players reaching his full potential beyond coaching, players available, impatient owners, etc..


There are so many other variables out there that go beyond just having "knowledge" in that area. You can be the smartest football mind in the world and still be dealt a bad hand and you fail. You could be a average football mind and be dealt a great hand and be legendary. It happens in life all the time.

I don't hate Jerry Jones and as a Skins fan, I want him to continue destroying the Dallas Cowboys. Yes, he knows a hell of a lot more than Dan Snyder, but he's still not qualified to be a GM based on his lack of experience/coaching throughout his life. If Jerry didn't own his own team, he wouldn't sniff a GM's position in the NFL.


Also, the Shula kids know more about football than you and I.

I don't know of a single soul on this forum that believes it takes no management skills and all football mind to make an organization great. It takes quite a bit of both, but it also takes a good front office of people who can work together to make it happen.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

No one inherits football knowledge just by being around someone who coached/played football. If that were true, Kyle Shanahan and Brian Schottenheimer would be a whole lot better as offensive coordinators than they have shown themselves to be.

Why aren't they good?KS ..did fine in Houston and BS had the Jets in the AFC chanpionship game the last 2 years ,also I think there is a guy in Alabama....named Sabin who has'nt done to bad.
Noone says you are born with it but by coming from a family where it is their bread and butter ...you pick up a hell of a lot more then Joe fan.

[Giantone]

sorry double post.

[NC_Skins]

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Good story.

[NC_Skins]

The NY Jets are a hot mess right now.

NY Jets players bash Mark Sanchez, say they want Peyton Manning and GM Mike Tannenbaum should trade young quarterback away - NY Daily News

“We have to bring in another quarterback that will make him work at practice,” said one player. “He’s lazy and content because he knows he’s not going to be benched.”

A Jets spokesman declined to make Sanchez available for this story. A source close to the team pointed out that Sanchez’s inability to handle mounting criticism prompted him to unfollow every Jets beat writer on Twitter earlier this season.

“They see the organization babying him,” said a Jets source. “They see him with a sense of entitlement. He’s been given all this and hasn’t done anything. They call him ‘San-chise.’ They make him the face of the organization. They gave him the captain tag. He’s not a captain. He should have never been a captain.”

None of the players who spoke to the Daily News for this story agreed with Ryan’s decision to anoint Sanchez as a captain.

No thanks to trading for this guy. Nothing worse than a QB with a bad work ethic and shaky confidence.


Also, seems Rex Ryan doesn't know how to spot leaders or award the correct people with captains. I suppose he's basing it off salaries.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

The NY Jets are a hot mess right now.

NY Jets players bash Mark Sanchez, say they want Peyton Manning and GM Mike Tannenbaum should trade young quarterback away - NY Daily News





No thanks to trading for this guy. Nothing worse than a QB with a bad work ethic.

From what I'd heard, his work ethics definitely took a serious step back this season. I don't really know why that is. Because for the past two years it wasn't like that at all. But this year, there were stretches when he did the minimum. He needs a threat behind him at QB. That's not Brunell

[mbedner3420]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

From what I'd heard, his work ethics definitely took a serious step back this season. I don't really know why that is. Because for the past two years it wasn't like that at all. But this year, there were stretches when he did the minimum. He needs a threat behind him at QB. That's not Brunell

All that talk about trading for Sanchez has gone by the wayside at this point right? Because it looks like everything else from that scenario may fall into place.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by mbedner3420

All that talk about trading for Sanchez has gone by the wayside at this point right? Because it looks like everything else from that scenario may fall into place.

It's been quiet lately

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It's been quiet lately

Make it go away. I feel like making a move for Sanchez could be the #1 step backwards for us this offseason. Must avoid at all costs.