What is RG3 worth to us?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

True, but if the Fins go all in & trade w/Browns that really sets the market. The rams then are in a position to say 'we like our pick at #2 & you will have to do significantly better than what the Fins gave up to get it.' If they truly like their options at 2, which I suspect they would - Blackmon or Kalil is ideal for them, then they win either way & can hold that pick to the last minute.

Ultimately, it would take a lot of intel for the Fins to be confident that they could get RGIII w/the 4th pick. I mean would somebody w/the rams & vikes really assure Miami that they weren't picking RGIII? or that they wouldn't trade the pick away?

Well to be clear, a trade wouldn't happen between Miami and Cleveland before draft day, when the Browns are on the clock. Just starting the conversation now

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well to be clear, a trade wouldn't happen between Miami and Cleveland before draft day, when the Browns are on the clock.

That is, unless Joe Gibbs is running your team.

Scout.com: Draft Trade: Why?



God it's moves like this that made me hate Gibbs 2.0

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

That is, unless Joe Gibbs is running your team.

Scout.com: Draft Trade: Why?



God it's moves like this that made me hate Gibbs 2.0

Doing it before draft day did make it questionable, otherwise I always liked that trade. Of course, we know now that JC is not on par w/A. Rodgers & maybe not even Alex Smith (though until this year his career was not much different than Smith's).

That said, since they thought JC was the qb of the future, giving up a 3rd & 4th wasn't that high a price. It was actually the most forward thinking moves of Gibbs 2. In other trades we gave up too much for questionable return. When drafting a qb, it was worth making the move he did. If JC was still our QB & we were winning like Alex Smith is now, we'd call that trade a great move.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well to be clear, a trade wouldn't happen between Miami and Cleveland before draft day, when the Browns are on the clock. Just starting the conversation now

Understood, I'm just pointing out that it should be fairly obvious that the skins & other teams will likely covet the Rams pick if interest in RGIII is as high as expected. I only see a Cleveland/Miami trade going down if the Rams keep their pick.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Understood, I'm just pointing out that it should be fairly obvious that the skins & other teams will likely covet the Rams pick if interest in RGIII is as high as expected. I only see a Cleveland/Miami trade going down if the Rams keep their pick.

I don't think the Rams are going to receive a real serious offer for the no. 2 pick that comes from any organization besides the Redskins. For every pick that Griffin slides, I think the realistic offers for his services will get hotter and hotter.

Right now, I think its safe to say he's coming off the board at 3rd or 4th. That could change, and it's impossible to say who will pull the trigger to make the pick, but when was the last time someone traded for a top two pick? 2001? That was 11 years ago.

Eli Manning was traded in 2004, but that's only a relevant comparison if the Rams are ready to pull the trigger on Griffin to really reap the benefits of a trade. And that's the scenario that would throw everything I believe off: the Rams taking Robert Griffin and then either shopping him or Bradford. But if the Rams aren't going to flirt with the idea of picking Griffin, then they'll never get close to a deal for the second pick.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I don't think the Rams are going to receive a real serious offer for the no. 2 pick that comes from any organization besides the Redskins. For every pick that Griffin slides, I think the realistic offers for his services will get hotter and hotter.

Right now, I think its safe to say he's coming off the board at 3rd or 4th. That could change, and it's impossible to say who will pull the trigger to make the pick, but when was the last time someone traded for a top two pick? 2001? That was 11 years ago.

Eli Manning was traded in 2004, but that's only a relevant comparison if the Rams are ready to pull the trigger on Griffin to really reap the benefits of a trade. And that's the scenario that would throw everything I believe off: the Rams taking Robert Griffin and then either shopping him or Bradford. But if the Rams aren't going to flirt with the idea of picking Griffin, then they'll never get close to a deal for the second pick.

1) 11 years ago & under a different cba, the new rookie scale is much more cap friendly for teams to get top 10 picks

2) I'm looking at it the other way around, the Rams hold the clear shot at getting RGIII regardless of whether they want him. If you are the Browns, Redskins, Fins, etc. & you want him, you need to trade up to get him. If in fact the redskins make an offer to the rams or any other teams, that starts the bidding once word gets out to other teams. The skins will have reason to make an offer if they believe Miami or other teams are trying to trade to #4 & vice versa.

I don't think the Rams will have to even flirt w/the idea of taking RGIII, they just have to flirt w/the idea that they will trade the pick to a team that will.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

1) 11 years ago & under a different cba, the new rookie scale is much more cap friendly for teams to get top 10 picks

2) I'm looking at it the other way around, the Rams hold the clear shot at getting RGIII regardless of whether they want him. If you are the Browns, Redskins, Fins, etc. & you want him, you need to trade up to get him. If in fact the redskins make an offer to the rams or any other teams, that starts the bidding once word gets out to other teams. The skins will have reason to make an offer if they believe Miami or other teams are trying to trade to #4 & vice versa.

I don't think the Rams will have to even flirt w/the idea of taking RGIII, they just have to flirt w/the idea that they will trade the pick to a team that will.

It's not like though that the new CBA has totally changed the value of a first round pick. The second overall player is going to be a lot more affordable than he was two years ago, but if teams thought before that players at the top of the draft weren't worth the money, they would have passed on those picks to save dough.

I think the surplus value of the no. 2 pick is a lot higher than it was two years ago, but that's also the case for the no. 4 and no. 6 and no. 9 and no. 11 picks as well. So the incentive to trade multiple (or future) first rounders for a high pick might actually be lower than it was two years ago, even if the picks are still more valuable.

I'm not sold on the fact that the second pick is destined to be a glorified RGIII auction, and I'm basing that on recent history. I think it becomes an auction if the Rams make it one, but setting a high asking price while you really are interested in Justin Blackmon just makes you like every other team that has held the no. 2 overall pick in the last ten drafts. Until the Rams come out and seriously considering drafting RGIII, they're just any other team with the second overall pick, and not a likely destination for RG3.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It's not like though that the new CBA has totally changed the value of a first round pick. The second overall player is going to be a lot more affordable than he was two years ago, but if teams thought before that players at the top of the draft weren't worth the money, they would have passed on those picks to save dough.

I think the surplus value of the no. 2 pick is a lot higher than it was two years ago, but that's also the case for the no. 4 and no. 6 and no. 9 and no. 11 picks as well. So the incentive to trade multiple (or future) first rounders for a high pick might actually be lower than it was two years ago, even if the picks are still more valuable.

I'm not sold on the fact that the second pick is destined to be a glorified RGIII auction, and I'm basing that on recent history. I think it becomes an auction if the Rams make it one, but setting a high asking price while you really are interested in Justin Blackmon just makes you like every other team that has held the no. 2 overall pick in the last ten drafts. Until the Rams come out and seriously considering drafting RGIII, they're just any other team with the second overall pick, and not a likely destination for RG3.

Good points, I would expect the rams to ask for a lot simply because they're in a position to. I can easily see us getting into the mix, at least trying to work out a deal even if in the end the price is deemed too high. I'm also assumng that RGIII stock continues to rise to the point that many rank him as the #2 prospect overall, not just #2 QB. Don't know how much personel power Fisher has w/the rams, but I would bet that he'd love to land a bunch of good picks at the expense of the #2.