Redskins, Cowboys could go “nuclear” over cap mess

[mbedner3420]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Redskins hope to rally support at league meetings | ProFootballTalk

Why would any one of the 28 teams not penalized go along with this? Owners: 'OK Bruce, you can have the money back, we'll forfeit the $2million you essentially just gave us and the higher cap ceiling we enjoyed as a result of your penalty.'

I don't see that happening...

[Player_HTTR]

Originally Posted by mbedner3420

we'll forfeit the $2million you essentially just gave us and the higher cap ceiling we enjoyed as a result of your penalty.'

They HAVE to spend whatever percentage of that 2million that they otherwise would not have too. The whole fight between the players and owners is the owners want to spend less money. I'll leave the rest unsaid.

NM I'll say it. 2mil in cap space isn't enough to help most teams out, its dead money that gets wasted in the owners eyes having to pay out the 90% (or whatever it is) to the same player base they would have had without the 2 mil. IMO of course.

That's not including the difference in salary cap space the MCEC (or whatever it is) used as a BRIBE for the NFLPA. Even with that additional money they get to spend the player base is still the same players really.

If I'm the owner of a small market team or not 1 player away from being a SuperBowl contender I am pissed about the dick move pulled by the few in the name of the many. But I could be wrong.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mbedner3420

Why would any one of the 28 teams not penalized go along with this? Owners: 'OK Bruce, you can have the money back, we'll forfeit the $2million you essentially just gave us and the higher cap ceiling we enjoyed as a result of your penalty.'

I don't see that happening...

Well it would be 30 teams, and I think there's a good chance a few owners didn't agree with the decision.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Well it would be 30 teams, and I think there's a good chance a few owners didn't agree with the decision.

Wouldnt it be 28 other teams because the redskins, cowboys, saints, and raiders were all found guilty of dropping the money on the cap

[mbedner3420]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Wouldnt it be 28 other teams because the redskins, cowboys, saints, and raiders were all found guilty of dropping the money on the cap

That's what I was going off of.

[MTK]

Ok gotcha

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

I understand your arguments. However, it looks to me like the NFL owners probably have consulted their lawyers and realize they are on shaky ground. .

???,how do you come up with this?There has been no mention anywhere of anything of this nature ,none.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mbedner3420

Why would any one of the 28 teams not penalized go along with this? Owners: 'OK Bruce, you can have the money back, we'll forfeit the $2million you essentially just gave us and the higher cap ceiling we enjoyed as a result of your penalty.'

I don't see that happening...

Agreed, the NFL will get something .You want the cap space back...sure ,you lose your first pick of this years draft........,take your time and think about it.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Agreed, the NFL will get something .You want the cap space back...sure ,you lose your first pick of this years draft........,take your time and think about it.

:confused:

[AYJAX]

What happens next year if when the money is divided up between the owners and players and the salary cap is still below what it currently is. This year if Goodell didn't give the NFLPA a cap bribe the cap would have been around $116M . Now it is $120.6M, is it going to go up another $1.6M for other teams next year. or is there a chance of it going down because the NFL no longer needs to make the NFLPA drop more charges.If the 4 teams that got shafted this year get shafted next year that would suck.

[SBXVII]

I think this thing is going to start getting interesting pretty soon....

Oh by the way Giantone... no collusion? apparently the players see it as collusion also.

Sources: NFL players' union strong-armed into 'collusion', led to penalties for Cowboys, Redskins - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

[Dirtbag59]

I call bogus. Huge Redskin fan, big names all in attendance and he's watching womens basketball? Tis a lie!

So I mind my own business sitting at the bar watching the Baylor women playing on the TV. I overhear some of his conversation. I believe he was talking to DeMaurice Smith of the NFLPA. He was complaining about the league's salary cap penalties. I wish I could give out more specific details but I couldn't follow enough.

If Bruce Allen wasn't doing football he'd be at some Fortune 500 company as the CMO.

Eventually he hangs up and he instantly engages me... He said "what are you doing wearing that hat?" I mention it is because of my love for the Redskins at which point he stands up and shakes my hand. He asked me how long I have been a Redskins fan and where I was from. I told him I was too young when his dad coached the team and that I became a fan during Gibbs 1 era.. Some of the highlights.....I asked him about the salary cap fiasco and he told me in no uncertain terms they are going to fight it and so are the Cowboys.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Dirtbag, thanks to booze, I've seen more soccer on TV at bars than I care to admit. Was he there for the basketball or the booze and just HAPPENED to see a sport on TV?

[SBXVII]

As the NFLPA’s annual meeting of player representatives takes place this week in Marco Island, Fla., followed by the NFL owners meetings in Palm Beach, Fla., next week, one issue both sides must address is what appears to be an obvious case of collusion on the part of the league.

In essence, the NFLPA had to weigh the option of keeping the salary cap high for now against the idea of accepting collusion.


NFL spokesman Greg Aiello and NFLPA spokesman George Atallah both declined to discuss the matter. However, sources on both sides say the union agreed to the penalties because it had little choice.

“What the league is doing is collusion, plain and simple.”

This goes against everything that we negotiated for in [the past]” a player said, referring to the previous CBA and subsequent extensions. “The owners were supposed to live with the realities of the uncapped season. That was supposed to make them afraid to go uncapped. Now, they’re telling the big spenders, ‘You were really bad boys, we’re going to punish you.’ What the [expletive]? What kind of fear are they going to have in the future?”


The best analogy: If you were trying to sell something at auction and were told just before the sale that the top two spenders in the room had been barred from bidding, you might be pretty upset.

Furthermore, sources questioned why teams that didn’t spend weren’t penalized by the league.

Couldn’t you argue that teams that saved all this money by not spending are helping themselves out artificially by saving room to spend later?” the agent said. “The only teams being punished are the big spenders and that’s because the league wants to hold down salaries.”

The Redskins did nothing wrong. All they did was spend money,” the union source said.

“But nobody is really getting an explanation on this stuff. You have collusion going on over here and they’re manipulating the salary cap over there. There’s a bunch of stuff going on and you don’t know if it’s good negotiating or if people trying to cover their butts. All I know is, the precedent really bothers me.”

I hope the NFLPA decides to do something after all. Might atleast make Smith look bad and put the League on notice.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Dirtbag, thanks to booze, I've seen more soccer on TV at bars than I care to admit. Was he there for the basketball or the booze and just HAPPENED to see a sport on TV?

Nah, I was just messing around with the bogus declaration. Though I am highly suspect of a lifelong Redskin fan paying attention to a womens basketball game when the Owner, Head Coach, Offensive Coordinator, GM, and franchise QB are just a couple feet away. Thats like going to a strip club to watch the local news.