Make your Case for non-HOFer

12thMan · 04-21-2012, 12:35 PM

Dating back to the Hall of Fame's inception, fewer than 10 centers have been inducted.

Leader In Sports · 04-21-2012, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Although he played with Sonny (and presumably Larry Brown), center is a tough one. Go back and find me a center in the Hall without at least one Super Bowl ring, maybe two.

Just look at the class of 2012 for a certain Steeler who wore number 63.

And yes, Len was there for all of Larry Brown's career too.

I agree in general Center is tough for the Hall because what stats can you use?

12thMan · 04-21-2012, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Leader In Sports

Just look at the class of 2012 for a certain Steeler who wore number 63.

And yes, Len was there for all of Larry Brown's career too.

I agree in general Center is tough for the Hall because what stats can you use?

Exactly. Unlike tackle even, you can still quantify how many times the QB didn't get sacked. I suppose they usually measure the centers effectiveness based three criteria: Running backs and QB stats and longevity.

los panda · 04-21-2012, 01:31 PM

charles haley
played several positions, excelled in all of them
no player has won more super bowls
member of the 100 sack club

Leader In Sports · 04-21-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by los panda

charles haley
played several positions, excelled in all of them
no player has won more super bowls
member of the 100 sack club

I think with Haley is it more a matter of when than if.

mitch e · 04-21-2012, 05:01 PM

Do any of you remember FS Jake Scott ? I always thought he was one of the best to ever play the position.

REDSKINS4ever · 04-21-2012, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mitch e

Do any of you remember FS Jake Scott ? I always thought he was one of the best to ever play the position.

Jake Scott was #13. He played a few years as a Miami Dolphin before he was a Redskin. Scott played against the Redskins in Super Bowl VII.

budw38 · 04-21-2012, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Jake Scott was #13. He played a few years as a Miami Dolphin before he was a Redskin. Scott played against the Redskins in Super Bowl VII.

I think he was the MVP of that game , too bad Sonny got hurt that year .

Leader In Sports · 04-21-2012, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Jake Scott was #13. He played a few years as a Miami Dolphin before he was a Redskin. Scott played against the Redskins in Super Bowl VII.

When Jake Scott came to the Redskins he showed Billy Kilmer his car and thanked Billy. Said the pay raise the Dolphins gave him after the game paid for the car.

Least that is the way Kilmer told it.

Lotus · 04-22-2012, 01:09 AM

Even though he donned the B&G, I never forgave Jake Scott for Super Bowl VII. Nor did I forgive the goalposts (on the goal line at that time) for blocking a potential touchdown pass.

We played the greatest team of all time relatively tough. If only we could have gotten Larry Brown going...

Leader In Sports · 04-22-2012, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

Even though he donned the B&G, I never forgave Jake Scott for Super Bowl VII. Nor did I forgive the goalposts (on the goal line at that time) for blocking a potential touchdown pass.

We played the greatest team of all time relatively tough. If only we could have gotten Larry Brown going...

Yup, the defense played well enough to win the game. The offense just couldn't get ANYTHING going. Remember, the 1 score came on the special teams block by Vactor that lead to the interception and touchdown by Bass.

Giantone · 04-22-2012, 09:32 AM

I would like to see Phil Simms stats are better then some and not as good as others ,honestly think he'll make it as a broadcaster before a player.Injuries did him in .

REDSKINS4ever · 04-22-2012, 09:53 AM

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I would like to see Phil Simms stats are better then some and not as good as others ,honestly think he'll make it as a broadcaster before a player.Injuries did him in .

Simms actually has the numbers. He has a higher QB rating than Terry Bradshaw. Simms also has 2 Super Bowl rings. Their number of TD passes are very close. Simms does deserve high consideration.

SmootSmack · 04-22-2012, 09:57 AM

Ken Stabler

Leader In Sports · 04-22-2012, 10:11 AM

I am actually always surprised you don't see Simms or Stabler in the HOF. If forced to pick one, I would go with Simms.

Of course, I put them both in the Roman Gabriel category (along with lots of others). They all deserve to be in, but at what point do you make the cut?

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Lotus Fire Bruce NOW Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 11,434	Re: Make your Case for non-HOFer Even though he donned the B&G, I never forgave Jake Scott for Super Bowl VII. Nor did I forgive the goalposts (on the goal line at that time) for blocking a potential touchdown pass. We played the greatest team of all time relatively tough. If only we could have gotten Larry Brown going... __________________ Bruce Allen when in charge alone: 4-12 (.250) Bruce Allen's overall Redskins record : 28-52 (.350) Vinny Cerrato's record when in charge alone: 52-65 (.444) Vinny's overall Redskins record: 62-82 (.430) We won more with Vinny

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04-22-2012, 10:11 AM	#75
Leader In Sports Special Teams Join Date: May 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 385	Re: Make your Case for non-HOFer I am actually always surprised you don't see Simms or Stabler in the HOF. If forced to pick one, I would go with Simms. Of course, I put them both in the Roman Gabriel category (along with lots of others). They all deserve to be in, but at what point do you make the cut?

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