For the Dockery haters

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

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He must be doing something right to have started 29 straight games. Does he need to continue to improve? Of course, but I don't think he deserves half the criticism he seems to get here.

To me he's a promising young player with alot of potential, not someone we need to be looking to replace already.

You could also say he started 29 games because we have no depth or anyone better then him to replace him.
At what point does Dockery and few other Redskins (Ramsey, T. Jacobs) fall out of the category of a "young" developing player? Dockery is now in his third year, he is not a rookie/ young developing player anymore, he is now a veteran.
The reason I am saying is there were a couple of rookies that came straight of college last year, were drafted in lower rounds than Dockery was two years earlier, and started the entire season for their NFL team. The two rookies I am referring to started for San Diego, a team that went one game short of the Superbowl.
These two rookies played very well last year, better than Dockery played in his first two seasons. Dockery was very mistake prone in his first two seasons. At some point have to stop coddling certain players just because we drafted them high and have alot invested in them.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

You could also say he started 29 games because we have no depth or anyone better then him to replace him.
At what point does Dockery and few other Redskins (Ramsey, T. Jacobs) fall out of the category of a "young" developing player? Dockery is now in his third year, he is not a rookie/ young developing player anymore, he is now a veteran.
The reason I am saying is there were a couple of rookies that came straight of college last year, were drafted in lower rounds than Dockery was two years earlier, and started the entire season for their NFL team. The two rookies I am referring to started for San Diego, a team that went one game short of the Superbowl.
These two rookies played very well last year, better than Dockery played in his first two seasons. Dockery was very mistake prone in his first two seasons. At some point have to stop coddling certain players just because we drafted them high and have alot invested in them.

I was waiting for someone to say this, I find it hard to believe that if he was that much of a liability we wouldn't have replaced him already. We could have started Raymer at center last year and put Friedman at LG if Dockery was that bad. If he was that bad we could have signed someone this offseason to replace him or compete for his job. We didn't though, that tells me the coaches are comfortable with him for now.

As for when does he fall out of the young developing player category, this year! If he doesn't take his game to the next level this year I'll have no problem if he's replaced.

But if some people here had their way, Dockery wouldn't even have the chance to develop, he would have been replaced already.

The fact that he's started 29 straight games, and the coaches haven't looked to replace him, tells me they have a certain level of confidence in him.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

You could also say he started 29 games because we have no depth or anyone better then him to replace him.
At what point does Dockery and few other Redskins (Ramsey, T. Jacobs) fall out of the category of a "young" developing player? Dockery is now in his third year, he is not a rookie/ young developing player anymore, he is now a veteran.
The reason I am saying is there were a couple of rookies that came straight of college last year, were drafted in lower rounds than Dockery was two years earlier, and started the entire season for their NFL team. The two rookies I am referring to started for San Diego, a team that went one game short of the Superbowl.
These two rookies played very well last year, better than Dockery played in his first two seasons. Dockery was very mistake prone in his first two seasons. At some point have to stop coddling certain players just because we drafted them high and have alot invested in them.

Defensewins, please explain to me exactly why you think Dockery isn't any good. I hear you saying he's labeled as a young developing player, and I hear you saying these other two rookies played better than Dockery, but what I'm not hearing are the specifics.

WHAT DID DOCKERY DO WRONG???

Nobody can ever answer that question. The only thing the guy messed up with was penalties. How many times did he miss an assignment? Not many, blitz pickups are simple for a guard, they just stay on the DT in front of them and let the HB worry about picking up the blitzing LBs. How many times did he get bulldozed by a DT? None that I can remember. How many times did he fail to get to his blocks on running plays? Not many. Which side did the Redskins tend to run towards last year, the Dockery/Samuels side or the Thomas/Brown side? Answer, Dockery/Samuels.

I don't get why people think he was bad. The only argument you can make is penalties. If you can offer an answer to the question "what did Dockery do wrong", I'd love to hear it.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Defensewins, please explain to me exactly why you think Dockery isn't any good. I hear you saying he's labeled as a young developing player, and I hear you saying these other two rookies played better than Dockery, but what I'm not hearing are the specifics.

WHAT DID DOCKERY DO WRONG???

Nobody can ever answer that question. The only thing the guy messed up with was penalties. How many times did he miss an assignment? Not many, blitz pickups are simple for a guard, they just stay on the DT in front of them and let the HB worry about picking up the blitzing LBs. How many times did he get bulldozed by a DT? None that I can remember. How many times did he fail to get to his blocks on running plays? Not many. Which side did the Redskins tend to run towards last year, the Dockery/Samuels side or the Thomas/Brown side? Answer, Dockery/Samuels.

I don't get why people think he was bad. The only argument you can make is penalties. If you can offer an answer to the question "what did Dockery do wrong", I'd love to hear it.

Wow! I can feel the anger
One thing, you guys need to stop putting words in my mouth or other people who just have a difference of opinion. No need to get upset. LOL!
I never said Dockery "is not any good'" or "we should get rid of him" or he sucks. Frankly, I do not want to cut him. All I am saying is he is very average at best. At times during his first two years he made a lot of mental mistake, offsides is the one that comes most to mind. Next to (#1) turnovers, penalties are the #2 drive killer. So to say he just commits penalties is a huge understatement. Superbowl teams do not commit a lot of mistakes and penalties.
My main issue with Dockery is his play, he is not a nasty, pancake blocker type. For a guy that is 6' 6'" and 345 pounds he is not knocking people down or back very much, if it all. I have never seen Dockery knock a guy off the line like I saw Jacoby (undrafted player) do. Dockery (third round pick) is more of a contain blocker than an agressive push someone back type. If we found another Randy Thomas or Russ Grimm, Dockery would make a great back up. My current opinion of Dockery is just that, it should not piss you off. Hopefully Dockery will take the next step in his level of play...I hope!

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Wow! I can feel the anger
One thing, you guys need to stop putting words in my mouth or other people who just have a difference of opinion. No need to get upset. LOL!
I never said Dockery "is not any good'" or "we should get rid of him" or he sucks. Frankly, I do not want to cut him. All I am saying is he is very average at best. At times during his first two years he made a lot of mental mistake, offsides is the one that comes most to mind. Next to (#1) turnovers, penalties are the #2 drive killer. So to say he just commits penalties is a huge understatement. Superbowl teams do not commit a lot of mistakes and penalties.
My main issue with Dockery is his play, he is not a nasty, pancake blocker type. For a guy that is 6' 6'" and 345 pounds he is not knocking people down or back very much, if it all. I have never seen Dockery knock a guy off the line like I saw Jacoby (undrafted player) do. Dockery (third round pick) is more of a contain blocker than an agressive push someone back type. If we found another Randy Thomas or Russ Grimm, Dockery would make a great back up. My current opinion of Dockery is just that, it should not piss you off. Hopefully Dockery will take the next step in his level of play...I hope!

Defensewins, don't take it the wrong way, I'm not angry with you. I just can't understand people ragging on the kid.

It's very common for young players to make mental mistakes, which is exactly what penalties are. All he needs is coaching and time with his teammates. Now if his penalties do not improve this year, then I can kind of see your point, because this is his third year and he's had some time with his teammates.

But come on, we can't ask every player to be Joe Jacoby. It seems kind of rough to beat on him when you consider his play to be average, except for the penalties. You're right, he's not pancaking guys, but he's not giving up sacks either. If he reduces the penalties, suddenly the line as a group looks pretty darn formidable.