Redskins OTAs

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I think your perception of Davis blocking is based on old labels from 2 years ago.
I've seen David seal the edge in the running game and block DEs.
Is Davis inconsistent? Sure.
Does he miss blocks sometimes, sure who doesn't.
I have yet to see Paul seal the edge on or block a DE one-on-one or combo block with a Trent Williams on the outside stretch.


I'm not sure how I would collect after I won.
But, I'm sure we could ask someone to ask one the Skins coaches or people close to team if Paul is a better blocker then Davis.

Davis plays alot of snap and the reason he can be on the field so much is because of his blocking, his blocking makes him a complete TE.
And being a complete TE is part of the reason Davis was franchised tagged.

I think Paul has the tools to be good movement/match-up receiving threat TE.
And I can't wait to see him in game action.
But, I can't see him becoming an true in-line TE because of his blocking.
But then again, why would you take a movement TE and make them an in-line TE?

I would have a different opinion. FDavis was brought in cause they liked what he supposedly should be able to do. He was known to be a pass catching TE not a blocking TE. Which is why they picked up Paulsen a year or two later. Let us not forget FDavis didn't see the field hardly his first year if at all and only played marginally more his second.

The real reason Davis saw more playing time had more to do with match ups with opponants and what MS/KS wanted to put on the field. Look at the Patriots they run a lot of 2 TE sets. So I really don't think Davis was just sooo awsome that MS had to put him on the field. I think it had more to do with the team utilizing more 2 TE sets.

Personally I liked more of what I saw from Paulsen blocking and more from what I saw from him when he had the ball in his hands. He seemed to run over defenders and was hard to bring down with out the fumbles.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I would have a different opinion. FDavis was brought in cause they liked what he supposedly should be able to do. He was known to be a pass catching TE not a blocking TE. Which is why they picked up Paulsen a year or two later. Let us not forget FDavis didn't see the field hardly his first year if at all and only played marginally more his second.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions.
But, first I would say that if you narrow the TE groups only to "pass catching" vs "blocking" then you're basically ignoring most of the good NFL TEs that fall somewhere in between.
And Davis was a complete TE coming out of USC and he's a complete TE now.
"Pass catching" TEs" aren't considered top TE prospects like Davis was coming out of USC.
If a TE is either a pass catching or a blocker they're not projected as starting caliber players therefore are not gonna be top prospects nor are they gonna get drafted very high. (Where was Paulsen drafted again?)
And in the NFL simply put if an NFL TE can't be at least an adequate blocker then they can't play inline TE.
And we both know that Fred Davis can play inline TE.

I'm not gonna speculate or quibble about Davis playing time rookie/year 1 playing time.
Nor, am I gonna pretend that either of us know the exact factors that lead to drafting Paulsen.
My guess would be that Paulsen was the highest rated player on their board and they liked his skillset.

The real reason Davis saw more playing time had more to do with match ups with opponants and what MS/KS wanted to put on the field. Look at the Patriots they run a lot of 2 TE sets. So I really don't think Davis was just sooo awsome that MS had to put him on the field. I think it had more to do with the team utilizing more 2 TE sets.

Oh, you know the reason why MS/KS make their decisions?
If Davis couldn't play he wouldn't play that much we know without mind reading the intentions of MS/KS.

Personally I liked more of what I saw from Paulsen blocking and more from what I saw from him when he had the ball in his hands. He seemed to run over defenders and was hard to bring down with out the fumbles.

Paulsen is a good blocker and in the Panthers game showed he's a decent receiver with decent run after the catch.

[SBXVII]

OMG. I didn't say Davis sucked, I said I didn't see anything different then what Cooley has done. Some fans here seem to think Davis is 100X better then Cooley and Davis has not smelled the Pro Bowl yet.

Look I don't make the titles. The media puts TE's in two catagories.... pass catching TE's and blocking TE's. Some do well at both. However I can remember many of fans here wondering why we picked up another "pass catching TE" on this message board. I can remember many of media wondering why we picked up a second "pass catching TE". I honestly don't recall Davis being the "all around TE" that you claim him to be. I'm not saying he hasn't gotten better, all players get better over time and even MS has mentioned that Davis was playing better each year. Lest you forget all 3 of our picks that year Thomas, Kelly, and Davis really didn't come into the league making much noise and all were reported to have some issue's. We know Kelly's was his injury, Thomas and Davis were a combination of lazyness and learning their routes.

I'd say something idiotic like Paulsen saw the field his first year as a Rookie but that reason was because Cooley went down.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

OMG. I didn't say Davis sucked, I said I didn't see anything different then what Cooley has done. Some fans here seem to think Davis is 100X better then Cooley and Davis has not smelled the Pro Bowl yet.

Look dude, it seems you're on here to have some sort of Cooley/Davis argument and that's fine but I'm not your huckleberry on that argument.
I didn't mention anything about Davis in relation to Cooley that's all you.

My point is simple, Davis is a good TE.
Part of being a good TE is being at minimum an adequate blocker.
And in asmuch as Davis is a decent inline blocking TE he's a better blocker then a newly converted WR.

-also the media rarely has a clue when it comes to football, the implication of a "pass catching TE" is that they can't block just as the implication for a "blocking TE" is that they can't catch. Good TEs are found somewhere in the middle under the label "complete TE".

[SBXVII]

No I'm not on a Cooley/Davis arguement. Simply saying I like having both Cooley and Davis... and Paulsen. I've seen Paul first hand and he's pretty big right now. To me he almost looked LB big or close to it. Maybe a small LB but he was almost 2 to 3 times bigger then the other WR's we already have on the team. I thought I was looking at Landry when I first saw him.

All I said was I don't get the cult for Davis and the Cooley bashing. Both are nice to have. I mentioned that both are pass catching TE's and you kinda jumped on the bandwagon that Davis is an all around TE like I bashed him too much for your taste. Sorry. I'll add this for partial proof:

Fred Davis, TE, USC
Fred Davis is one of the top three tight end prospects in Division One football this year. What Davis lacks in straight line speed, he more than makes up for with his ability to read defenses and quickness. Davis finished the 2007 season with 62 receptions for 881 yards (an amazing 14.2 ypc from the tight end position) and he also finished with 8 touchdowns. Davis was the lone bright spot in the underachieving pass offense at USC. Davis has a knack for getting open, even with the double coverage he has seen as USC's only viable receiving option this year. Davis does not have the game breaking speed of a Jeremy Shockey or Vernon Davis, but he has the big frame NFL quarterbacks love to find in the red zone. Davis is an adequate blocker, but can get pushed around a little bit by bigger defensive ends and strong side linebackers. Davis creates mismatches no matter where he lines up in the passing game. He has excellent body control for his size and great hands and he has shown great run after catch ability this year at USC. Davis has wowed scouts at Senior Bowl practice with his catching ability and ability to get position against defenders. Davis does not have prototypical tight end size, but he just gets the job done at an incredibly high level. Davis ran well at the combine, recording forty yard dash times of 4.6 and 4.65 officially. Davis will likely be a late first/early second round prospect and is the highest rated tight end by many rating services. He will likely be the first or second tight end taken in the draft.

Now I'll admit I'm probably reading too much into that review but most of the talk of him was his catching ability and how he was the lone bright spot for his college team catching balls for them. The majority of the write up talks about his yards after catch, TD's, receptions etc.

Don't get me wrong I like Davis, glad we got him, he was leading all our WR's in catches last year.... although I think that says more about our WR's and QB then it does about Fred. Why do I say that.... a lot of his balls I feel were thrown too high or too low or behind him. Thats a knock on the QB. The only knock I have with him is his fumbles. He needs to secure the ball better. Fumbles is something we hardly see from Cooley when he's playing and not injured.

I'll correct myself on one thing though.... I said Paulsen was listed as a blocking TE which in fact reading his scouting review I noticed they also complimented his pass catching ability very similar to Davis's. So I might have been wrong there but I could have sworn I read that he was more of a blocking TE and would probably be lined up opposite Cooley/Davis.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

No I'm not on a Cooley/Davis arguement. Simply saying I like having both Cooley and Davis... and Paulsen. I've seen Paul first hand and he's pretty big right now. To me he almost looked LB big or close to it. Maybe a small LB but he was almost 2 to 3 times bigger then the other WR's we already have on the team. I thought I was looking at Landry when I first saw him.

All I said was I don't get the cult for Davis and the Cooley bashing. Both are nice to have. I mentioned that both are pass catching TE's and you kinda jumped on the bandwagon that Davis is an all around TE like I bashed him too much for your taste. Sorry. I'll add this for partial proof:

No worries, but you did start your last response on a diatribe about Cooley and again in this response you bring up Cooley despite the fact that I haven't mentioned him.

Well then I have no idea what your point is because unless you mean something different, when media you refer to call someone a 'pass catching TE' they mean they can't block.
All I'm saying is that if Davis couldn't block he wouldn't play nor would he have been considered a top TE prospect.

Don't get me wrong I like Davis

Its hard to tell from the way you've been posting about him; just giving you a hard time bro I'm sure you like him.

I honestly don't know what exactly you're disagreeing with anymore...

[Chico23231]

Any new word outta OTAs? InsaneBoost you going back or anything to report? Want see how the rookies (other than RG3), udfas are playing.

[InsaneBoost]

Had planned on making it out today, but was notified last minute that they had closed OTA's to the media. Not sure why. I would assume Larry would have still had access with Redskins Nation, so possibly tune into the show tonight for some stuff.

Plan to be out there for mini camps and training camp.

[InsaneBoost]

Looks like Thursday now? I'll see if I can make it, kind of busy that day.

[mbedner3420]

Weren't otas closed to the media this whole week?

[SBXVII]

Something pretty funny,

Seahawks violate contact rules, lose two OTA days | ProFootballTalk

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Something pretty funny,

Seahawks violate contact rules, lose two OTA days | ProFootballTalk

I wonder where we've seen that before... oh yeah, redskins.com.

[InsaneBoost]

Originally Posted by mbedner3420

Weren't otas closed to the media this whole week?

From what I was told, they were open today, but then closed. However Thursday they will be open. This is the last week they're open till the Mini Camps.

[iRepDMV]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Look dude, it seems you're on here to have some sort of Cooley/Davis argument and that's fine but I'm not your huckleberry on that argument.
I didn't mention anything about Davis in relation to Cooley that's all you.

My point is simple, Davis is a good TE.
Part of being a good TE is being at minimum an adequate blocker.
And in asmuch as Davis is a decent inline blocking TE he's a better blocker then a newly converted WR.

-also the media rarely has a clue when it comes to football, the implication of a "pass catching TE" is that they can't block just as the implication for a "blocking TE" is that they can't catch. Good TEs are found somewhere in the middle under the label "complete TE".

That part had me dyingg