Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft?

SmootSmack · 07-15-2005, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

So because they didn't go after a very unproven and raw prospect the front office blows?

Here we go again.

Man I hope not. It's tempting to just lock this thread before things get really ridiculous here.

crlesh · 07-15-2005, 11:44 AM

Too many risks in the supplemental at too heavy a price. Pre-salary cap/free agency, the Redskins would have excelled at analyzing non-hyped talent. Today, with the team struggling at the cusp of respectability, the last thing we need to do is trade 'real' draft picks to get raw, lower-tier talent. Looks like teams like the Colts were smart with this supplemental draft - forget wasting a pick, but pursue him as an undrafted if he's still available.

MTK · 07-15-2005, 12:08 PM

I guess 28 other teams around the league dropped the ball on this kid as well. At least the Skins are in the majority.

paulskinsfan · 07-15-2005, 12:44 PM

Mattyk72, do you really want to have a debate on how good or bad our front office is? Vinny and Danny Boy have given us: Deion Sanders, Jeff George, Bruce Smith, Dan Wilkenson, Dana Stubblefield, Mark Brunnell, and we waste draft picks like candy, heck we threw in draft picks with both the Portis and the Brunnell deals! Now they have had a few decent signings the last year or so, but by and large our front office makes one screw up after another. How can you say a 7th rounder is high risk, that make absolutely no sense to me since we have never had a 7th round selection pan out and be a real contributor anyway, and this kid has real potential.

SmootSmack · 07-15-2005, 12:50 PM

When did Matty say it was high risk? He just said it wasn't worth it, right Matty?

paulskinsfan · 07-15-2005, 12:55 PM

Crlesh was the high risk analysis with giving up a 7th rounder, sorry.

MTK · 07-15-2005, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Mattyk72, do you really want to have a debate on how good or bad our front office is? Vinny and Danny Boy have given us: Deion Sanders, Jeff George, Bruce Smith, Dan Wilkenson, Dana Stubblefield, Mark Brunnell, and we waste draft picks like candy, heck we threw in draft picks with both the Portis and the Brunnell deals! Now they have had a few decent signings the last year or so, but by and large our front office makes one screw up after another. How can you say a 7th rounder is high risk, that make absolutely no sense to me since we have never had a 7th round selection pan out and be a real contributor anyway, and this kid has real potential.

We've had our share of quality moves as well, but I guess it's easier to focus on the negative. As for the bad moves sure we've had our share, what team doesn't?

I never said a 7th rounder is high risk. Frankly I wouldn't have cared if they gave up a 7th rounder for him, but to criticize them for passing on him is silly. Criticize them for the Brunell move or giving up too much for Portis, but blasting them for passing on a WR in the supplemental draft is ridiculous.

If this kid has some much potential why weren't teams falling over themselves to grab him?

Nobody in the entire league was willing to give up even a 7th rounder for him, and only 4 teams showed interest after the supplemental draft was over.

Maybe everyone is missing the boat on this kid, maybe he's the next TO, somehow I doubt it though. He's definitely a project and no quick fix to our WR corps.

Kinda funny you say we waste draft picks, but then you want them to throw a pick on a kid who hasn't played football in 3 years.

BrudLee · 07-15-2005, 01:11 PM

The supplimental draft is typically filled with fool's gold. Of course Manuel Wright and Crosby looked good - there was no one to compare them to. Crosby ran two sub 4.5 40's, and while that's nice, he suffered fatigue related leg cramps during his workout for the pros, and couldn't finish. He was going to play pro baseball, but (to quote SI.com), "injuries, indecision and personal issues took their toll on Crosby." Oh, yeah - I want that guy on my team.

Crosby may turn out to be a real player. I doubt it, but it may happen. The same may go for Wright - he couldn't crack the starting lineup (or his books, apparently) at USC, but maybe the NFL is more his speed. There's a reason there aren't many supplimental draft success stories, though.

PFunk26 · 07-15-2005, 01:20 PM

Crosby signed with the Colts today according to yahoo sports

BrudLee · 07-15-2005, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PFunk26

Crosby signed with the Colts today according to yahoo sports

Which is a great fit for him. He's under no pressure to produce, and he might learn from the great pros ahead of him.

PSUSkinsFan21 · 07-15-2005, 01:55 PM

Is there any doubt that even if we wasted a 7th rounder on Crosby he wouldn't have made the team? We can't carry all the guys we already have on the roster at WR. What the heck are we going to do with another one? As it stands now we may have to cut either Dyson or McCants; and I can't help but doubt that Crosby would be any better than those two guys.

07-15-2005, 11:44 AM	#17
crlesh Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Boston, MA Age: 49 Posts: 142	Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft? Too many risks in the supplemental at too heavy a price. Pre-salary cap/free agency, the Redskins would have excelled at analyzing non-hyped talent. Today, with the team struggling at the cusp of respectability, the last thing we need to do is trade 'real' draft picks to get raw, lower-tier talent. Looks like teams like the Colts were smart with this supplemental draft - forget wasting a pick, but pursue him as an undrafted if he's still available.

07-15-2005, 12:08 PM	#18
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft? I guess 28 other teams around the league dropped the ball on this kid as well. At least the Skins are in the majority. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

07-15-2005, 12:44 PM	#19
paulskinsfan Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: West VA Posts: 726	Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft? Mattyk72, do you really want to have a debate on how good or bad our front office is? Vinny and Danny Boy have given us: Deion Sanders, Jeff George, Bruce Smith, Dan Wilkenson, Dana Stubblefield, Mark Brunnell, and we waste draft picks like candy, heck we threw in draft picks with both the Portis and the Brunnell deals! Now they have had a few decent signings the last year or so, but by and large our front office makes one screw up after another. How can you say a 7th rounder is high risk, that make absolutely no sense to me since we have never had a 7th round selection pan out and be a real contributor anyway, and this kid has real potential.

07-15-2005, 12:50 PM	#20
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft? When did Matty say it was high risk? He just said it wasn't worth it, right Matty? __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

07-15-2005, 12:55 PM	#21
paulskinsfan Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: West VA Posts: 726	Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft? Crlesh was the high risk analysis with giving up a 7th rounder, sorry.

07-15-2005, 01:11 PM	#23
BrudLee Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 3,494	Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft? The supplimental draft is typically filled with fool's gold. Of course Manuel Wright and Crosby looked good - there was no one to compare them to. Crosby ran two sub 4.5 40's, and while that's nice, he suffered fatigue related leg cramps during his workout for the pros, and couldn't finish. He was going to play pro baseball, but (to quote SI.com), "injuries, indecision and personal issues took their toll on Crosby." Oh, yeah - I want that guy on my team. Crosby may turn out to be a real player. I doubt it, but it may happen. The same may go for Wright - he couldn't crack the starting lineup (or his books, apparently) at USC, but maybe the NFL is more his speed. There's a reason there aren't many supplimental draft success stories, though. __________________ There's nowhere to go but up. Or down. I guess we could stay where we are, too.

07-15-2005, 01:20 PM	#24
PFunk26 Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Grafton, WI Age: 44 Posts: 355	Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft? Crosby signed with the Colts today according to yahoo sports

07-15-2005, 01:55 PM	#26
PSUSkinsFan21 The Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Philadelphia, PA Age: 48 Posts: 1,340	Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft? Is there any doubt that even if we wasted a 7th rounder on Crosby he wouldn't have made the team? We can't carry all the guys we already have on the roster at WR. What the heck are we going to do with another one? As it stands now we may have to cut either Dyson or McCants; and I can't help but doubt that Crosby would be any better than those two guys. __________________ "Hail to the Redskins!" and "Fight on State!"

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