Sex Abuse Scandal Rocks Penn State

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Seems I'm not alone.


Airplane banner makes threat if Paterno statue is not removed

Love it.

His Alma Mater, Brown Univ. has stripped Paterno's name off buildings and an annual award.

[mredskins]

I think a lot of PSU current and alumni students are embarrassed. They were once such a proud group now it has to hurt a bit when someone ask where you went to school. I see it on my sister and brother in laws faces.

My BIL took down a lot of his PSU stuff at his house. His fridge use to say "we are Penn State" when you opened it. He took that down.

They both still live in PA btw; I can only imagine how much more painfully it is for displaced PSU folks.

The folks responsible should be held accountable; I don't know how by tearing down the entire football and/or school is fair to folks who had nothing to do with this.

I also believe the statue of Joe P should be brought down as well out of respect for the victims. If it stays up and you are not a victim who cares it just a piece of metal I would not waste my time driving to happy valley to tear it down.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Love it.

His Alma Mater, Brown Univ. has stripped Paterno's name off buildings and an annual award.

I don't know off memory many buildings named after him on that campus and I have walked it many times.

Plus they are still deciding what to do:

Brown University may take Paterno's name off award

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

SS, I don't get why you are so concerned about football players who had nothing to do with this but want federal scholarship funding cut for students who similarly had nothing to do with any of this, scholarships that allowed people like me to attend the most expensive state school in the country and are basically responsible for everything that I now have in my life. I get why people are angry but to just vindictively wish pain on anyone who has any PSU affiliation at all is just mean, and to show solicitude for football players (who can just transfer to a comparable institution easily) but not for regular students (who can't) is just perverse. I really don't get it.

i dont think anyone with a rational thought process would wish vindictive pain on the current students and facilty that have had nothing to do with the sandusky case. i think people want to see penn state react faster than they have though, and the lack of public response has rubbbed alot of people the wrong way. it leads to the perception that penn state is too wrapped up in themselfs to identify the problem and find a solution. i feel sorry for all of the people with any affilitation to the school that are wrongly affected by this, but at the end of the day it's a bi-product of the university's wrong doing. and these students and facilty are not the only innocent people effected by this, the victims come first and foremost.

for the record i think the university should be able to continue with academics as normal, but the football program should be shut down for at least one year. and the university also needs to remove all ties to paterno, knowing what we now know there is no reason what so ever to continue any afiliation with that name. it's a very sad and tragic set of events that have unfolded here.

[hooskins]

If Penn State thinks its so unfair to have their program shut down for a bit, those at the top shouldnt have enabled an environment where young children were raped. Not much more complex than that IMO.

PSU will be forever remembered for this but they can also be remembered for taking quick action, being critical of Paterno and the football program, etc. Instead, all this denial is only further hurting the school's reputation.

[Monkeydad]

Yep, denial is exactly what it is.

It's almost painful, but very pathetic to listen to the Paterno worshippers. I work with a ton of them. They've been whiining "it's such a shame that an evil monster can tarnish the legacy of such a great man". Sickening. It's like they don't even care about or realize what happened.

Their latest straw argument..."I want to know what role the Governor had in this scandal, he was Attorney General before he was Governor!"

Surprise, surprise, these people are also raging liberals who have been crying since the Republican Governor was elected and any chance they get to try to take him down they do. The Governor was not part of the cover-up. PATERNO was. PATERNO allowed it. He hid it. He was part of it. Accept it. You can't blame law enforcement for this not coming out earlier when there was a huge undertaking by every level of the University to hide it.

Why don't we talk about the District Attorney who just DISAPPEARED in 2005 while he was hot on Sandusky's trail. Also, that boy in the shower, no one knows who he is or where he is now. Was his body disposed of along with the District Attorney who may have known his name?

Ray Gricar, the DA...his car was found empty. His computer hard drives were stolen and turned up in the Susquehanna River...his body was never found.

I won't be shocked if it comes out that the University, boosters or Paterno and Sandusky themselves hired a hitman or two with school and taxpayer funds.

Would it shock you?

Shut that football program down, not for a year, indefinitely. I think we have not even scratched the surface of what they did. We're all in for plenty of shock, even more than we've already had.



Former Penn State Coach Prosecutor Center of Penn Missing Man Mystery - ABC News

Excerpt:

Then, in April 2005, Gricar disappeared.

His car was found abandoned in a Lewisburg, Pa., parking lot and his laptop's harddrive was recovered from the nearby Susquehannna River, but there was no other trace of Gricar. No clues could be gleaned from the severely damaged harddrive and despite a six year investigation that involved the FBI and international help, police have as little an idea today about what happened to the former DA as they did then.

"We literally used every single resource, national and international," Bellefonte, Pa., police chief Shawn Weaver told ABC News today. "This is baffling. He literally just disappeared off the face of the earth."

[hooskins]

Yeah the whole DA bit seems to be way too much to be a coincidence. I'm not one to buy into conspiracy theories, but what happened was pretty wild. Seems like something out of a movie.

[mredskins]

This is starting to reach Jim Jones levels:

Penn State students protecting Joe Paterno statue - NCAA Football - SI.com

Happy Valley will soon be Jonestown with large punch bowls placed through out the campus.

[Monkeydad]

Idiot students. They just don't comprehend what happened, do they?

I bet if Sandusky was raping college students on campus, they'd have a different take on this since they'd be targets personally. You'd think the idea that their little brothers could be targets would be enough to enrage them, but I guess you can't expect children themselves to fully understand anything.

We're going to have to throw some smoke bombs or mace in there to clear them out, then just yank that statue down with a chain and a dump truck. Forget preserving it, lets just toss it back onto the lawn of the Paterno family in pieces, just like the lives of the victims.

[JoeRedskin]

I read the story about the statue. Insane.

The statue should be down already. Every student should be forced to read the entire Freeh report.

[Monkeydad]

Just tell the students that tuition will have to go up because of the legal fees from Paterno and Sandusky. They'll riot.

[mooby]

It's kind of amazing that people will still blindly pledge their allegiance to a guy like that. I figured child rape is one of those things where every non-rapist would have the same stance on the subject, but it's clear where they stand. Apparently assisting a child rapist isn't enough to harm the "legacy" of a beloved former coach. It's pathetic.

[JoeRedskin]

The only thing I can think as a reason is their outright denial of the evidence. It has to be something along the lines of "He didn't REALLY know". Otherwise, I can't see how you could justify defending Paterno and live with yourself.

We are talking aiding and abetting the entrapment and brutal rape of young, at-risk boys. How can you even begin to say "Yeah, but ..." to that.

I understand you don't want to punish the innocent, but I think all this just highlights exactly what Freeh was talking about at Penn State in terms of the culture. If this is our next generation of leaders, I weep for the future.

I had been wavering before, but this culture of denial and cover-up need to go. The place needs to be, metaphorically speaking, razed to the ground and rebuilt. Anyone defending the school's actions and deliberate inactions in this matter needs to be fired yesterday. Horrible. Just horrible.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I read the story about the statue. Insane.

The statue should be down already. Every student should be forced to read the entire Freeh report.

I really don't think it would do any good JR. When you have guys like Jay Paterno saying the Freeh report wasn't accurate and "just a opinion." Yeah, there are no new facts even though they expose his father with the emails and hand written notes. Nope. No new facts.

Jay Paterno defends dad in wake of Freeh report - New York Daily News


Also, you have board of trustee members saying "this isn't a PSU scandal or a football scandal", not sure these people will ever let go of their idol. Just listen to this assclown the PSU alumni voted in as a board of trustee.

New Penn State Trustee Anthony Lubrano needs a dose of this little thing called reality (Video) | Larry Brown Sports (thanks to djnemo65 for posting this)

This is the type of leadership they want at PSU? The kind where they are in constant denial and will continue to cover up. Just visit a PSU forum and it's littered with posts and threads about how the Freeh report is garbage and how Paterno should remain a icon. It's downright sickening. They've been taught this their whole life and conditioned that PSU football takes precedence over everything. Also another fun fact, Jay Paterno got quite a few votes to be a member on the board of trustees, even though he doesn't want the position nor applied.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

The only thing I can think as a reason is their outright denial of the evidence. It has to be something along the lines of "He didn't REALLY know". Otherwise, I can't see how you could justify defending Paterno and live with yourself.

You hit the nail on the head about why. The few PSU forums I scanned, this was the biggest factor in their denial. They think the Freeh report is bogus and inaccurate that was done by a unprofessional guy.(they mention the Waco fiasco as their reasoning) They are pointing at the media as the bad guys who are making them look bad and are blowing things out of proportion. Granted now, there are some PSU alumni and fans posting on those forums telling those guys that they are crazy and are in denial.