Several Dead in Dark Knight Premiere Mass Shooting

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by hooskins

What kills people quicker and more efficiently? Guns.

Your above argument is so ridiculous.

While his post may have been a bit.....provocative, a similar logic was applied to the original Assault Weapons Ban in 94' and and fed to an uniformed American people by...then President Bill Clinton. It was a ridiculous proposition then and it remains today.
However, I made some pretty good money as a result of it....so guess it was not all bad.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by hooskins

What kills people quicker and more efficiently? Guns.

Your above argument is so ridiculous.

I used to be anti-gun for awhile but over the years have changed my opinion. But trust me, if someone wants to kill someone, they're going to find a way. Gun or no gun. When people snap or are just pure nuts, the extremes they go to to cause harm to others is unbelievable.

Look at 9/11, killed thousands of people and not caused by gun violence.

[Hog1]

Good point!
Some quality YouTube time in the bomb making dept, a side trip to Ace Hardware for some fertilizer, and you have OKC FBI building coming down.....

[Lotus]

Banning assault weapons won't keep all psychos from getting them. But it will make it harder for them to get them. Don't we want to make it harder for a psycho to get an assault weapon?

Also, banning assault weapons will not eliminate all of the ones in circulation. But each year into the future, as weapons degrade as all machines do, it will be harder for psychos to get their hands on them. Again, don't we want it to be difficult for psychos to get weapons?

[Hog1]

Banning "Assault Weapons" is a useless proposition and without benefit to anyone......
It has been popularized by political pundits solely to placate a US population that knows no better.
We need to adopt actions that make sense.....

[SolidSnake84]

I am an advocate of gun rights, and I think that every law abiding citizen should be able to own and posess firearms. In fact both of my parents hold concealed weapons licenses.

HOWEVER, i do not feel that the mass shooting in colorado could have been prevented by having everyone in the theater packing, as popular opinion has said.

Things are very bad in the US in 2012, but it's not so bad that it's like the wild wild west where everyone needs to carry a gun to survive.

There are some people out there who aren't psychologically capable of having the responsibility of gun ownership, and there are people who are "afraid of the world" so to speak that would fire at the drop of a hat. People like that give gun owners a bad name.

My wife works for a woman who two summers ago, was robbed by a kid with a BB gun. She was severely traumatized as a result, went right out and bought a pistol, and despite not having a concealed weapon permit, she keeps it in her purse everywhere she goes. 3 occasions this past year the woman has gotten startled at work and reached for the pistol before calming down. She is going to kill someone one day unjustifiably. This is the kind of person who will see shrubs moving and open fire, only to find out after the fact that a child or someone was reaching through the bushes to get something.

The tragedy in Colorado is a tragedy IMO and nothing could have prevented it. To implement all the types of security that Joe Public is calling for now as a result, puts us effectively in a police state where the military/police check you everywhere you go...not the solution IMO

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Banning assault weapons won't keep all psychos from getting them. But it will make it harder for them to get them. Don't we want to make it harder for a psycho to get an assault weapon?

Also, banning assault weapons will not eliminate all of the ones in circulation. But each year into the future, as weapons degrade as all machines do, it will be harder for psychos to get their hands on them. Again, don't we want it to be difficult for psychos to get weapons?

Since the theater shooter also killed and maimed with a pistol and a shotgun I find it amusing that you don't mention them.

Polarized by media hype about the much demonized assault rifles maybe?

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I am an advocate of gun rights, and I think that every law abiding citizen should be able to own and posess firearms. In fact both of my parents hold concealed weapons licenses.

HOWEVER, i do not feel that the mass shooting in colorado could have been prevented by having everyone in the theater packing, as popular opinion has said.

Things are very bad in the US in 2012, but it's not so bad that it's like the wild wild west where everyone needs to carry a gun to survive.

There are some people out there who aren't psychologically capable of having the responsibility of gun ownership, and there are people who are "afraid of the world" so to speak that would fire at the drop of a hat. People like that give gun owners a bad name.

My wife works for a woman who two summers ago, was robbed by a kid with a BB gun. She was severely traumatized as a result, went right out and bought a pistol, and despite not having a concealed weapon permit, she keeps it in her purse everywhere she goes. 3 occasions this past year the woman has gotten startled at work and reached for the pistol before calming down. She is going to kill someone one day unjustifiably. This is the kind of person who will see shrubs moving and open fire, only to find out after the fact that a child or someone was reaching through the bushes to get something.

The tragedy in Colorado is a tragedy IMO and nothing could have prevented it. To implement all the types of security that Joe Public is calling for now as a result, puts us effectively in a police state where the military/police check you everywhere you go...not the solution IMO

Great post; I totally agree. I personally would never own a gun but I also think a sane law abiding citizen should have the right to have one if they choose.

[JoeRedskin]

The guy was had clearly gone over the edge. I doubt anything was going to stop him from causing death and destruction.

One of the incendiary devices appeared to be improvised napalm and others appeared to be mixtures that, if combined with other materials, could cause an explosion, the official said.

"We talk about motive and defenses and deliberation, and make no mistake, this apartment was designed to kill whoever entered it," Aurora Police Chief Daniel Oates said. And who was most likely to enter that location? "It was going to be an officer."

The apartment also contained about 30 aerial shells used in fireworks displays, roughly the size of golf balls and filled with black powder, wired to a control box in the kitchen that was defused with water, another law enforcement official said. There were also jars of black powder, liquid accelerants and other flammable chemicals in the apartment, the source said.

Massacre suspect's neighbor: 'I'm counting my lucky stars' - CNN.com

[JoeRedskin]

Stepping away from the "Ban Guns" talk. How about we remember those who died:

Remembering the Colorado shooting victims

The six year old girl who was killed had just learned how to swim. My five year old girl is going to her grandparents today and can't wait to show them that she can now swim.

One guy had been married for a year and was celebrating his birthday.

My heart goes out the families and loved ones.

Life is precious. Never forget that.

[Hog1]

Joe brings a poignant....pause. While we have strong opinions on both sides of the fence on this issue, the real tragedy lies with those of the victims and their families....

[Redskins8588]

I know that no matter what I say I am pretty confident that I will not change anyone's opinions of guns, but what I do want to say is that first I am sorry for all of those families that lost someone. I would not wish that on anyone. My 11 year old son attended the midnight primer in Erie, PA, just the thought isvery frightful.

What I do want to say is that the media spends a lot of effort on banning guns when tragedy like this happens, but nothing or very little is said when guns are used for good or seen in a good light.

14-year-old boy shoots armed intruder, protects siblings

I have to believe the worst would have happened if this brave young man did not take action to protect his siblings.

All I really am trying to get atis that for people to have a knee jerk reaction and blame guns is kind of wrong. This guy had distruction on his mind and guns or no guns he was going to give it his best, that is clearly evident with the boobie trapped apartment and bomb in the theater.

I dont want to offened anyone and I really dont want to get into the gun ban debate, I am just hrowing in my two cents.... take it or leave it...

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Since the theater shooter also killed and maimed with a pistol and a shotgun I find it amusing that you don't mention them.

Polarized by media hype about the much demonized assault rifles maybe?

Nope. I am not polarized by media hype. My comments were intended to respect the keeping of some guns by citizens while outlawing the over-the-top guns.

[Chico23231]

Sux to return back from a 3 day vacation from the outer banx and hear this. I always look forward to get away from internet access, limited tv, and i just like to turn the phone off as well...my sister called me with the news tonight heading home. Thoughts and prayers for the families.

A couple things stand out...1. Colorado AGAIN. very strange...id be asking alot of questions if i lived there 2. you can buy 4 weapons in a month's time, isnt that a red flag? 3. How do you get hands on explosives?

Still early in the story, maybe those questions have been answered.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Nope. I am not polarized by media hype. My comments were intended to respect the keeping of some guns by citizens while outlawing the over-the-top guns.

Knowing that a lot of handguns and shotguns can blow half your head off please tell me which of the other firearms are "over the top"?