2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

What about the community that build the facilities as Romney alluded to? I suspect we both know what Obama was saying but it's easier to just make fun of what he said and have people like firstdown go full retarded with it.

The biggest supporters of small business loans are Republicans...hell, they created the small business administration and it certainly can't be said that it's unhelpful. Goofballs like firstdown think money they get from the bank is actually due to their good credit when in fact it's the government basically giving these banks loan guarantees so they can lend. To top it off, people like him go full retarded and forget that the recent economic downturn basically froze the credit market and the government came in and saved the day.

Here's the full text (two paras in debate) of what Obama said: "

“There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.”

If all he said was the first para, I'm with you, it's a stretch to expand it to he's saying you basically owe the gov't.

However the second para is what's damning (see what happens without a teleprompter). His references to a "great teacher", "this unbelievable American system", "investments is roads & bridges", "Gov't research creating the Internet" are alluding to gov't funding/programs being responsible for private business success. It's just what he believes, and that's OK. Be who you are, tell the truth about your vision for the country, not what you think will get you elected, and let the chips fall where they may.

That's why I'm very happy with the Ryan pick (whether it ends up costing me $$$ or not). The GOP needs to stop being Dem-lite, or the Diet Coke of liberalism, embrace fiscally conservative policies/values and communicate to the American people (leave the social stuff to the states to decide).