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Old 09-15-2012, 11:51 AM   #23
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You can't win with BB. You can make a completely cogent agrument that blows up his angry and incoherent babble and he'll shift to more nonsense about how terrible the U.S. is or it's all Christians' fault.

Your point about him studying some more history is sure to fall on deaf ears, as facts about why the U.S. was brought into WWII, or why we were at odds with the USSR in the first place don't sync-up with his points.
Or, what I'm saying is that when these violent events happen, it's important to realize the underlying causes.

In my opinion, the US has a habit of getting much too involved when it comes to how other nations govern themselves. No only do we stick our national nose where it doesn't belong but we happen to be really bad at it. The end result is that we end up fighting wars to force a system of government on people who, based on results to date, don't want it. (and don't have to want it) There seems to be this thought among some people here that we automatically have the right to engage in the internal affairs of sovereign nations. I disagree. (and please don't point to 9/11 as a blanket justification for any of this - without a shitload of shady actions on the part of the US, the case could be made that there never would have been a 9/11)

Regarding the religion thing, and I'm really trying to be respectful here, the fact that these "terrorists" (talk about a word with an ever broadening definition) happen to believe in a completely different faith then the vast majority of Americans, well, that just makes it so much easier to objectify and pigeon hole them doesn't it? They don't believe in our god or our system of govt? Let's get those ****ing heathens! They need our help, ignorant violent bastards. They really should thank us for coming into their society (which has existed multiple orders of magnitude longer than our own) and forcing leaders who support us into power.

I'm providing a counter point to the above position.
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