Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Before Harbaugh a lot of those players were not names you can list off like that. Singletary went 5-10 with a lot of those same players. We had carlos rogers so to list him makes us seem dumb to let him go. Unlike the 49ers Shanahan cannot make significant draft picks outside the 1st and 2nd round. Bowman, Snyder and gholdson were not high draft picks. The 49ers are only one example, what the Giants did the first three years under coughlin also showed they were building a team. What we have done under Mikes tenure is lose one more game every season. To say that some one inherits a talented team is basically saying the coach gets the most of his players unlike the coach before him. That is what Harbuagh does, that is what Coughlin does, that is what Sean payton does, Belichick, Smith, all the good coaches in the NFL. Coaches get the best out of their players... Shanahan does not do that. Orakpo, Kerrigan, Carriker, Fred Davis, Trent Williams, Landry, Rogers, Fletcher (excluding this year) Redskins are talented, but its obvious they are not coached to be the best they can be.

If you were paying attention you could. The Niners were a 'sleeping giant' for years out west. Remember, most pundits picked them to win the West the year Singletary crapped the bed with them. They had talent but needed it to come together. Can you say we've had comparable talent? Really? No other team has completely remade their roster and had fast success.

So based on you rattling off Harbaugh, Coughlin, Belichick, Smith all of the 'good coaches' are you implying that any of them would be winning with our current roster (and injuries) AND that talent is secondary to coaching ability?

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

If you were paying attention you could. The Niners were a 'sleeping giant' for years out west. Remember, most pundits picked them to win the West the year Singletary crapped the bed with them. They had talent but needed it to come together. Can you say we've had comparable talent? Really? No other team has completely remade their roster and had fast success.

So based on you rattling off Harbaugh, Coughlin, Belichick, Smith all of the 'good coaches' are you implying that any of them would be winning with our current roster (and injuries) AND that talent is secondary to coaching ability?

Many considered the skins a sleeping a giant. We were always in games but because of questionable coaching and the lack of a QB we couldn't win. We have the QB and now we are still losing. Yes I believe a better coach would build a team that would show a lot more progress than we have had the past three years. Coughlin took the Jaguars to the playoffs multiple times, the giants were not "talented" until he took over, same thing with Belichick with the Patriots and Smith with the Falcons. Part of being a great coach is getting the best out of the talent you have.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Many considered the skins a sleeping a giant. We were always in games but because of questionable coaching and the lack of a QB we couldn't win. We have the QB and now we are still losing. Yes I believe a better coach would build a team that would show a lot more progress than we have had the past three years. Coughlin took the Jaguars to the playoffs multiple times, the giants were not "talented" until he took over, same thing with Belichick with the Patriots and Smith with the Falcons. Part of being a great coach is getting the best out of the talent you have.

Who considered us a sleeping giant in 2010? C'mon dude, we were a well earned laughingstock.

Agreed, we are still losing. Understand we are missing our #1 WR, our #1 TE, our starting RT, best pass rusher, starting DE and both projected starting safeties. Do you think any of those would make a difference in our record or it is all on Shanahan the coach?

Do you distinguish between the coach and the GM? I give the GM a 5 for roster composition but the coach an 8 for us being competitive in each game. Even the Steeler game if we execute we are in the game. The last 3 games have been crippled by turnovers (NYG), dropped passes (PIT), penalties (CAR) and blown assignments/missed tackles (ALL). We've had 3 TD taken off the board by penalties in those games. Think those are on the coaches ability to get the best out of the talent you have? Those end up on the coach because he has to get them to execute but do you think the players are not put in position to make winning plays?