Gibbs is back. But Casserley isn't. That's what's missing.

[dblanch66]

How long has Casserly been in Houston now? 5-6 years??
They haven't even made the playoffs. Of course neither have the Redskins, so it's a wash. I like our chances a lot more than those of the Texans.

[Daseal]

Coach Gibbs Acquisitions:
Sean Taylor - Hit
Chris Cooley - Hit
Cornelius Griffin - Hit
Shawn Springs - Hit
Walt Harris - Hit
Joe Salavea'a - Hit
Philip Daniels - Neither hit or miss (has been hurt, but doesn't cost much)
Clinton Portis - Hit
Mark Brunell - Miss so far
Mike Barrow - Miss, but costs little

We'll See about:
Carlos Rogers
Jason Campbell
Casey Rabach
Santana Moss
David Patten

I was under the impression that Gibbs conceeded all defensive acquisitions to Williams. If I remember correctly Gibbs wanted KWII but Williams pleaded for Taylor. Of all of those people you mentioned Gibbs got the offensive guys.

Drafted the nations leading TE in yards (Not a huge reach), Got Clinton Portis (A Denver stud who had a down year, by his standards, in Gibbs system), and Mark Brunell, an obvious miss.

I don't think it's fair to call him a good talent evaluator in the least if it's true that Williams picks his defensive guys. Cooley was a great TE in college and Portis was a proven pro. We'll see about the other pickups from this year.

[firstdown]

Also remember Charley had no caps back then and when he joined the Texans he had extra cap space as a new team. He also did not have any dead money because the team was new. All other teams have had to deal with dead money. Yes, we have had more than our fair share but I feel that Danny Boy is learning from those mistakes. Our biggest problem is the size of our contracts that realy hurt us. Bruce Smith was not a bad pick-up it was just a bad contract we gave him that hurt us.

[MTK]

I doubt Gibbs has no input in the process of selecting defensive players.

He may defer to Williams in ultimately making the selection, but I'm sure Gibbs is actively involved along the way as far as evaluating talent goes.

[Hog1]

Maybe you will remember a dude name Bobby Bethard. He is the architect of most of those teams. Not that Charlie Casserly did not play a big part. However, Houston had better produce a playoff birth at the least or the coach is history. Their "expansion" is long over, and it's time to produce some winning seasons. When you look at the hit/miss list, Gibb's has done a pretty impressive job. Before we convict him of more atrocoties in the 2005 season, perhaps we should allow them to play it?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I was under the impression that Gibbs conceeded all defensive acquisitions to Williams. If I remember correctly Gibbs wanted KWII but Williams pleaded for Taylor. Of all of those people you mentioned Gibbs got the offensive guys.

Drafted the nations leading TE in yards (Not a huge reach), Got Clinton Portis (A Denver stud who had a down year, by his standards, in Gibbs system), and Mark Brunell, an obvious miss.

I don't think it's fair to call him a good talent evaluator in the least if it's true that Williams picks his defensive guys. Cooley was a great TE in college and Portis was a proven pro. We'll see about the other pickups from this year.

Daseal, whether you're giving the credit to Gibbs or Williams is splitting hairs. No matter which one of them get's the credit, the bottom line is together they have made good player-personnel decisions, and a GM isn't needed to help out.

Would you want a GM making decisions on defensive players after the record Gregg Williams posted last year? I'd take Gregg Williams over Charley Casserly any day when it comes to evaluating who to put in a Gregg Williams defense.

If you get Charley to help with just offense, fine, that makes sense to me, but only because Casserly is good. I wouldn't go adding just any old GM to the mix.

[illdefined]

think it's clear the villain here has been Danny/Vinny and we're asking Gibbs to get more help helping themselves.

[skins009]

Casserley is the most overrated GM ever. Just look at the texans, where he had done a horrible job. Bethard was the reason for the skins success not Casserley.

[paulskinsfan]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Maybe you will remember a dude name Bobby Bethard. He is the architect of most of those teams. Not that Charlie Casserly did not play a big part. However, Houston had better produce a playoff birth at the least or the coach is history. Their "expansion" is long over, and it's time to produce some winning seasons. When you look at the hit/miss list, Gibb's has done a pretty impressive job. Before we convict him of more atrocoties in the 2005 season, perhaps we should allow them to play it?

Yep, you are right. I always thought Casserly was horrible, it was Bobby Bethard who helped build the championship teams. Casserly had some really lousy drafts and free agent signings.

[Sociofan]

I think Ron Wolf is still drinking beer and fishing isn't he? He might cost a little money, but who hasn't in this organization?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Sociofan

I think Ron Wolf is still drinking beer and fishing isn't he? He might cost a little money, but who hasn't in this organization?

Also, he lives just 20 minutes away from FedEx. He'd be great, my top choice IF we were in need of a GM. But I think we're fine with what we have.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by skins009

Casserley is the most overrated GM ever. Just look at the texans, where he had done a horrible job. Beathard was the reason for the skins success not Casserley.

Thank you 009, Casserley is nothing special, Bethard built our SB teams period, casserley came in riding Beathards coat tail's, remember it was Casserley as GM who gave up 2 #1's to draft 1 Desmond Howard. When at the time I might add we needed defensive line help.

[monk81]

And let's not forget that great deal Cass made with Mike Ditka............

And let's not forget SNYDER'S "lowest" moment, when he insisted on having the Redskins sign Neon Deon Sanders cant blame that one on Vince, that was Snyder all the way.

Remember, the Texans are an expansion team and had to start from scratch. Not an easy job in view of free agency and players demanding higher and higher contracts, and salary cap to worry about. Cass needs more time, still some personnel he needs to add, but living here in Texas, no patience, fans in Houston getting restless.........and blaming the whole thing on their QB Carr......it's not his fault.......no O line.

[jamf]

championship teams are built on good draft depth.

what makes good draft depth:
lots of picks and the majority of those picks making an impact in some way.

we have been killing ourselves the last few years and its showing.

i understand we cant sign all our players but jesus sign a few atleast.

Someone mentioned that loosing smoot didnt cost us, it did, we had to use a 9th overall pick to HOPEFULLY replace him.

all the picks to the jets a few years ago is costing us. we still havent received any value from all those picks(hall is a kicker and has missed too much time, morton cut, coles gone, moss for coles i guess we will see).
giving away a 2nd round pick for the champ portis trade was stupid. spending 2 1st round picks on a QB in 4 years...

we are filling the same holes with draft picks every year. first round pick for gardner, then another first acouple of years later for another 1st which was traded for another wr. ramsey with a first, then campbell. what did all that get us? an injury prone but explosive wr and a shellshocked QB. campbell wont see playing time this year. dont kid yourself, saint gibbs will let brunell play before campbell.

now the texans on the other hand, the last couple of drafts have produced great players. carr is better than ramsey, but still some questions. dominik davis was rookie of the year and a steal later in the draft. andre johnson has already made the probowl. dunta robinson will make the probowl this year.

[GoSkins!]

Gibbs having a year to get used to coaching and his players is whats missing. But not anymore. Let this season show us all the real qualities of our coaches picks.