Are you buying into the Shanaplan?

MTK · 12-17-2012, 10:25 AM

Are you now convinced the Redskins are a complete team?

^ After reading this I thought it might make for some interesting discussion here.

Funny how just 5 weeks ago we were discussing blowing the whole thing up... Now where do you stand?

JoeRedskin · 12-17-2012, 10:34 AM

I had bought into the plan a lonnggg time ago and, although shaken, my moronic faith in it has never been broken. We are drafting lots of young guys. Some will stick, some will not, some may never be more than cheap solid back-ups before moving on.

We have a good young core of talented atheletes who would be starters on just about any team in the league (Davis, T. Williams, Morris, Kerrigan, Orakpo, Riley (?), Jackson) and we appear to be growing from within. Investment has been made in the O-line and the franchise appears to be more concerned with what you show on the field than how high-profile you are in the off-season. Rather than a collection of individuals, Shanny has been, and is continuing, to build a team.

It has taken three years but I believe the Stink of Cerrato is finally being washed away.

donofriose · 12-17-2012, 10:35 AM

I will admit to that I was completely wrong about Shanahan, I compared him to other coaches and he was not as successful, but he has proven me wrong. I like being wrong when it comes to the Redskins being good. But my friend said he will get our team rolling in the right direction and then leave it for the next coach (like his son) and that coach will be the one winning playoff games and possible superbowls. I believe that is true.

CultBrennan59 · 12-17-2012, 10:36 AM

I'm buying about 80% of it. The only part I don't buy is our pass rush depth and Secondary. Those still need to be fixed.

But so far with our recent drafts, I'm loving what I'm seeing. Alfred Morris, Richard Crawford, Aldrick Robinson, Royster. Those are some solid picks.

FRPLG · 12-17-2012, 10:42 AM

I have and had bought into the approach. How the approach is implemented is most important....that's where many teams miss. For years we screamed "we need a GM" but my response has always been.."we need a GOOD GM". Doing things the right way and doing the right things are different.

I wasn't convinced Shanny was doing the right things but I am becoming quite a believer. I have always thought he was doing things the right way...for the first time in a while around Redskins Park.

skinsfaninok · 12-17-2012, 10:46 AM

Sold! Lol

Chico23231 · 12-17-2012, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I'm buying about 80% of it. The only part I don't buy is our pass rush depth and Secondary. Those still need to be fixed.

But so far with our recent drafts, I'm loving what I'm seeing. Alfred Morris, Richard Crawford, Aldrick Robinson, Royster. Those are some solid picks.

gotta have a lil faith that will get better, we will always need improvement at at least one spot. No roster is perfect in the NFL

JoeRedskin · 12-17-2012, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

I have and had bought into the approach. How the approach is implemented is most important....that's where many teams miss. For years we screamed "we need a GM" but my response has always been.."we need a GOOD GM". Doing things the right way and doing the right things are different.

I wasn't convinced Shanny was doing the right things but I am becoming quite a believer. I have always thought he was doing things the right way...for the first time in a while around Redskins Park.

^^^ Yup. I like the "right way" / "right things" dichotomy. Cerrato did neither. I am with you, I think Shanny has, generally, been doing things the right way - investing in young depth, building the roster from within, etc. He has done some wrong things and I think we are one or two solid drafts from "fixing" the depth issues.

We need to get to the point where we are drafting less from a "Omigod so many holes! Draft for need! Draft for need!!" to "We have holes but we can afford to pick the best available more often than not."

12thMan · 12-17-2012, 11:17 AM

I like the youth movement personally.

SmootSmack · 12-17-2012, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

I like the youth movement personally.

Youth movement? The youth plan is Kai Forbath. That's it

That Guy · 12-17-2012, 11:31 AM

lol. shannahan missed twice on QB's and once on haynesworth, which really hurt his credibility here.

the hard work on fixing the locker room and getting younger is starting to pay off, and this draft class (including forbath and minnifield) has been ridiculous. we need a #1 corner and maybe another safety (or meriweather and jackson to stay healthy/not suspended) and the D should be good again. we have a lot of starters on IR, and the pass rush poofed when they left.

that said, there's no alberts or donovans in the locker room acting like 6 year olds. everyone seems to be showing up and saying the right things... there's been no crazy spurrier/zorn/cerato type stories in years, so the mis-management and stupid drama may finally be gone.

hell, even haslett looks like he kept his job. he just needed to show people how to tackle, and to tell williams to play deeper.

FRPLG · 12-17-2012, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Youth movement? The youth plan is Kai Forbath. That's it

Boom! Goated!

Paintrain · 12-17-2012, 11:41 AM

I consider myself an early adopter of the Shanaplan. I said many times in this past offseason that my evaluation of him began in earnest this year because of the horrible roster he inherited and the stunted offseasons in 2010 and 2011 due to the labor situation. I willingly ignored the 'he's got a worse record than Zorn' and 'why did (fill in the team here) get better so quickly and we still suck' crowds with a view on the bigger picture.

Not gonna lie, around Halloween, things didn't look good. However, I've been very impressed with the team's performance in the past 6 weeks and think that we have an extremely bright future ahead of us with lots of talented young players and depth.

I think we're in middle of Phase 2 of the Shanaplan.. Phase One-Purge the old roster. Phase 2-Build a younger roster around a young franchise QB. Phase Three-Develop a sustainable winning program to pass down to Kyle. I anticipate a 3 year extension for Shanny this offseason and an extension for Kyle which includes a succession clause.

12thMan · 12-17-2012, 11:42 AM

SS fell for it..or played along. Either way, good times.

Nah, I think Shanny has made some adjustments of his own, in my opinion. It's been a purging of personalities, players buying in, and coaches getting on the same page. Winning goes a long ways to improving a team's image of itself.

CrazyCowboy80 · 12-17-2012, 11:47 AM

So y'all have gone 5-0 in the last five games.

The Detroit Lions also had a 5-game winning streak and went into the playoffs last year. Now they're one of the worst teams in the NFC. Just saying.

You gotta wait a little while before you conclude this is something other than a lucky streak. Again, just look at what happened to the Lions.

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12-17-2012, 10:34 AM	#2
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 62 Posts: 10,401	Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan? I had bought into the plan a lonnggg time ago and, although shaken, my moronic faith in it has never been broken. We are drafting lots of young guys. Some will stick, some will not, some may never be more than cheap solid back-ups before moving on. We have a good young core of talented atheletes who would be starters on just about any team in the league (Davis, T. Williams, Morris, Kerrigan, Orakpo, Riley (?), Jackson) and we appear to be growing from within. Investment has been made in the O-line and the franchise appears to be more concerned with what you show on the field than how high-profile you are in the off-season. Rather than a collection of individuals, Shanny has been, and is continuing, to build a team. It has taken three years but I believe the Stink of Cerrato is finally being washed away. __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

12-17-2012, 10:35 AM	#3
donofriose The Starter Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 2,097	Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan? I will admit to that I was completely wrong about Shanahan, I compared him to other coaches and he was not as successful, but he has proven me wrong. I like being wrong when it comes to the Redskins being good. But my friend said he will get our team rolling in the right direction and then leave it for the next coach (like his son) and that coach will be the one winning playoff games and possible superbowls. I believe that is true.

12-17-2012, 10:36 AM	#4
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,526	Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan? I'm buying about 80% of it. The only part I don't buy is our pass rush depth and Secondary. Those still need to be fixed. But so far with our recent drafts, I'm loving what I'm seeing. Alfred Morris, Richard Crawford, Aldrick Robinson, Royster. Those are some solid picks. __________________ "Anyones better than Madieu Williams"

12-17-2012, 10:42 AM	#5
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan? I have and had bought into the approach. How the approach is implemented is most important....that's where many teams miss. For years we screamed "we need a GM" but my response has always been.."we need a GOOD GM". Doing things the right way and doing the right things are different. I wasn't convinced Shanny was doing the right things but I am becoming quite a believer. I have always thought he was doing things the right way...for the first time in a while around Redskins Park.

12-17-2012, 10:25 AM	#1
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,740	Are you buying into the Shanaplan? Are you now convinced the Redskins are a complete team? ^ After reading this I thought it might make for some interesting discussion here. Funny how just 5 weeks ago we were discussing blowing the whole thing up... Now where do you stand? __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

12-17-2012, 10:46 AM	#6
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 38 Posts: 36,174	Sold! Lol __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

12-17-2012, 11:17 AM	#9
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan? I like the youth movement personally.

12-17-2012, 11:31 AM	#11
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,574	Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan? lol. shannahan missed twice on QB's and once on haynesworth, which really hurt his credibility here. the hard work on fixing the locker room and getting younger is starting to pay off, and this draft class (including forbath and minnifield) has been ridiculous. we need a #1 corner and maybe another safety (or meriweather and jackson to stay healthy/not suspended) and the D should be good again. we have a lot of starters on IR, and the pass rush poofed when they left. that said, there's no alberts or donovans in the locker room acting like 6 year olds. everyone seems to be showing up and saying the right things... there's been no crazy spurrier/zorn/cerato type stories in years, so the mis-management and stupid drama may finally be gone. hell, even haslett looks like he kept his job. he just needed to show people how to tackle, and to tell williams to play deeper.

12-17-2012, 11:41 AM	#13
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 54 Posts: 5,006	Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan? I consider myself an early adopter of the Shanaplan. I said many times in this past offseason that my evaluation of him began in earnest this year because of the horrible roster he inherited and the stunted offseasons in 2010 and 2011 due to the labor situation. I willingly ignored the 'he's got a worse record than Zorn' and 'why did (fill in the team here) get better so quickly and we still suck' crowds with a view on the bigger picture. Not gonna lie, around Halloween, things didn't look good. However, I've been very impressed with the team's performance in the past 6 weeks and think that we have an extremely bright future ahead of us with lots of talented young players and depth. I think we're in middle of Phase 2 of the Shanaplan.. Phase One-Purge the old roster. Phase 2-Build a younger roster around a young franchise QB. Phase Three-Develop a sustainable winning program to pass down to Kyle. I anticipate a 3 year extension for Shanny this offseason and an extension for Kyle which includes a succession clause. __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman

12-17-2012, 11:42 AM	#14
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan? SS fell for it..or played along. Either way, good times. Nah, I think Shanny has made some adjustments of his own, in my opinion. It's been a purging of personalities, players buying in, and coaches getting on the same page. Winning goes a long ways to improving a team's image of itself.

12-17-2012, 11:47 AM	#15
CrazyCowboy80 Camp Scrub Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 4	Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan? So y'all have gone 5-0 in the last five games. The Detroit Lions also had a 5-game winning streak and went into the playoffs last year. Now they're one of the worst teams in the NFC. Just saying. You gotta wait a little while before you conclude this is something other than a lucky streak. Again, just look at what happened to the Lions.

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