Thoughts on the game

MTK · 08-20-2005, 08:28 AM

Ramsey made some nice throws and some really bad ones.

I still don't think it's anything to panic about. Gibbs was calling mostly pass plays while PR was in there, and Ramsey seemed to be intent on throwing deep, perhaps that was the plan.

I really liked the article by Mike Wise in the WP today, it sums up how I feel very well. I think the fans in general need to chill the hell out.

Some other notes on the game:

Carlos Rogers had some really nice plays but was also toasted for a TD. All in all a typical rookie performance. I'm sure Williams liked the fact he got burned, he got a little welcome to the NFL treatment.

I think we're really going to like Patten and Moss. Patten had a nice catch in traffic and another nice foot dragging grab near the sideline. Once Ramsey and the WRs get a better rapport going watch out.

Antonio Brown has some ankle breaking moves! He's really going to be something special as a returner and help us out with field position.

The defense is a minor concern, we're missing alot of guys and Williams doesn't seem to be running anything too exotic. He seems to be strictly evaluating at this point.

The battle between Rock and Nemo is really heating up. Nemo plowed over a couple of defenders and Rock seemed to have a nice burst getting to the outside. The fumble brought Nemo back down to earth a bit, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Brunell looks sharp. His passes have zip and his trademark accuracy seems to be back. It would be interesting to see what he can do with the first team but I think Gibbs needs to stand behind Ramsey.

Overall I was pleased that we were able to hit some big plays with the first teamers in there. Ramsey was up and down, but there are other factors to keep in mind, like a lack of running game, no Portis, etc. I think he's going to be fine once the entire offense comes together. Brunell is an interesting option though... where are all the Brunell haters now?

On a side note, Palmer struggled and was also up and down, I wonder if the Bengals are looking to bench him?

Beemnseven · 08-20-2005, 09:19 AM

Matty, this is Palmer's second year as a starter after watching Kitna in his rookie season. Palmer looked shaky in the first few series against a still depleted Redskin starting defense, but warmed up a bit as the first half continued on. If you're trying to correlate his performance with Ramsey's, you needn't bother. Palmer, while younger with not as much experience as Ramsey, isn't projecting himself as such the way Ramsey still is.

Overall, I think Ramsey had a better game than he did against Carolina, with 9 completions for 190 yards. That's a very nice yards per pass percentage. The problem is that when Ramsey's off, he's WAY off, throwing to guys in opposing jerseys.

At this point in Ramsey's career, I think most of us, including Joe Gibbs expect more than that. Ramsey still hasn't settled down, and it's showing. Somebody opined that Ramsey simply cannot seem to handle pressure. But this is the preseason, when he's basically been awarded the starting job, and he's still playing as if he's a wide-eyed rookie trying to atone for himself on just about every play. That makes him restless, trying to go for the jugular instead of missing open receivers underneath and in the intermediate patterns. On two occasions last night, those exact scenarios played out, and he threw two interceptions that completely took the wind out of the team on their way to certain scores.

I'm not calling for Ramsey to be benched. Just the opposite -- he needs all the playing time he can get. I still say though that we really should see Brunell start against the Steelers next Friday. But I would say that even if Ramsey had a flawless game. Give it to Brunell against the Steeler first teamers, and get Ramsey some confidence while playing against Pittsburgh reserves.

And don't take this observation as "panic". It is what it is -- an observation. But to say that 'everything's fine' and 'all is well' would be stretching. That's all.

SmootSmack · 08-20-2005, 09:24 AM

I don't know that putting Ramsey in as the second stringer is going to give him confidence. It may pad his stats, but I can't imagine he'd feel too relaxed about Brunell starting.

Beemnseven · 08-20-2005, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I don't know that putting Ramsey in as the second stringer is going to give him confidence. It may pad his stats, but I can't imagine he'd feel too relaxed about Brunell starting.

Yes, but he, along with just about everyone else still acknowledge that this is just preseason. Every coach wants a chance to evaluate as many players as they can against starters on opposing teams. Your backup quarterback should face a first team starting defense at least once during the exhibition games.

If this fact makes Ramsey nervous, and he takes a Brunell starting nod next week as an ominous sign, then that's not good. Competition should make a pro athelete in the NFL flourish, not cower.

GoSkins! · 08-20-2005, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

If this fact makes Ramsey nervous, and he takes a Brunell starting nod next week as an ominous sign, then that's not good. Competition should make a pro athelete in the NFL flourish, not cower.

Just listened to the Gibbs press conference. Don't think we will see Brunell starting anytime soon. Gibbs thinks the way to fix Ramsey is to make sure he gets more reps.

SUNRA · 08-20-2005, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I don't know that putting Ramsey in as the second stringer is going to give him confidence. It may pad his stats, but I can't imagine he'd feel too relaxed about Brunell starting.

As of August 20, 2005. There is no QB controversey in Redskins camp. It is clear that Ramsey is handing over the first squad to Brunell on a silver platter. Four years later, three coaches later and the same bonehead mistakes. The crime we charged Brunell with last year has plagued Ramsey this year. The underthrown pass. It is unacceptable for an experienced QB to throw the kind of INT's he's throwing. Ramsey was in every damn camp Gibb's called for and he still doesn't get it. How smart is he really?

offiss · 08-20-2005, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I don't know that putting Ramsey in as the second stringer is going to give him confidence. It may pad his stats, but I can't imagine he'd feel too relaxed about Brunell starting.

Totally agree! Ramsey need's as much time with the first string as possible, I also think Gibbs should have him throwing downfield as much as possible, he need's to become better and more comfortable with the downfield passing game, and it's only going to happen threw repetition. If he throws some more INT's so be it hopefully he gets them out of his system before the opener.

Hopefully I will catch the replay tonight at 12:00am on the NFL network and have a better feel for what happened.

sportscurmudgeon · 08-22-2005, 12:15 AM

I just now watched the full game via TiVo. Here are some observations:

1. I think Mark Brunell is not nearly as bad as I thought he was last year. It must have been injuries that made him stink out the city then because he played decently against Cincy.

2. Patrick Ramsey is not a whole lot more mature as a QB now than he was at the end of last year. He still makes "bad decisions" and he still makes some bad throws. (NOTE: I didn't say he would never get better; I merely observed that against the Bengals he was "the same old Patrick Ramsey")

3. Rock Cartwright and Nehemiah Broughton are "fighting to see who will be the third down back". Here's the deal. Cut both of these lumps of mediocrity and bring back a 35-40 year old Brian Mitchell to fill that role. Even at that age, Mitchell is superior to either of those jamokes.

4. There is not NEARLY enough pressure on the passer generated by the DL.

5. The OL is 100% more effective in its pass blocking than last year. I never saw anyone get past Jansen all night...

6. The OL is 50% more effective in its run blocking than last year.

7. If you love Darnarian McCants, get him to autograph a jersey for you now because absent an injury to Kevin Dyson, he's not likely to be here in Washington much beyond Labor Day.

8. McCune can play LB. He may be the latter-day version of Sam Mills.

9. Boschetti absolutely dominated the guy in front of him in the late 3rd Q and early 4th Q. Is that because the guy in front of him was a stiff who will be outta town next week? Or is it that Boschetti is turning into a quality DL?

That Guy · 08-22-2005, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

9. Boschetti absolutely dominated the guy in front of him in the late 3rd Q and early 4th Q. Is that because the guy in front of him was a stiff who will be outta town next week? Or is it that Boschetti is turning into a quality DL?

with the blocked FG and coaches mentions and all, i'd say its probably because he's a keeper.

CRT3 · 08-20-2005, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Matty, this is Palmer's second year as a starter after watching Kitna in his rookie season. Palmer looked shaky in the first few series against a still depleted Redskin starting defense, but warmed up a bit as the first half continued on. If you're trying to correlate his performance with Ramsey's, you needn't bother. Palmer, while younger with not as much experience as Ramsey, isn't projecting himself as such the way Ramsey still is.

Ramsey is older by 10 months. Palmer had a zero passer rating at the end of the 1st quarter. We had already pulled our D-line and linebackers at the end of the quarter and he moved the ball down the field, mostly on his ability to run becasue nothing was there. He looked shaky even against our 3rd stringers. If I were the bengals I would be worried as that was a pitiful performance.

As far as Ramsey, I personally thought he played fine. The Int. in the end zone was a ball that got a lot of air under it , similar to the TD to Thrash. I don't like that throw and he has to learn to zip it versus loft it unless it is the one on one fade. But that would be a better pass for Randy Moss and we don't have him. The other Int. looked like a miscommunication. We can not judge what we do not know. I also thought there was a ball in the 2nd series that Moss failed to make an attempt at. It was an excellent pass but he seemed to give up on the play. He did make a couple of great moves though.

The guy that impressed me the most was Antonio Brown. He was awsome. He seems to have a knack for returning the ball, expect him to break a few. But he juked Rasheed Bauman out of his jock strap for a catch. Sold the post and turned poor Bauman around and took the out pattern. GREAT MOVE!!!

On defense seems like Aki Jones is going to make the ball club.

08-20-2005, 08:28 AM	#1
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,038	Re: Thoughts on the game Ramsey made some nice throws and some really bad ones. I still don't think it's anything to panic about. Gibbs was calling mostly pass plays while PR was in there, and Ramsey seemed to be intent on throwing deep, perhaps that was the plan. I really liked the article by Mike Wise in the WP today, it sums up how I feel very well. I think the fans in general need to chill the hell out. Some other notes on the game: Carlos Rogers had some really nice plays but was also toasted for a TD. All in all a typical rookie performance. I'm sure Williams liked the fact he got burned, he got a little welcome to the NFL treatment. I think we're really going to like Patten and Moss. Patten had a nice catch in traffic and another nice foot dragging grab near the sideline. Once Ramsey and the WRs get a better rapport going watch out. Antonio Brown has some ankle breaking moves! He's really going to be something special as a returner and help us out with field position. The defense is a minor concern, we're missing alot of guys and Williams doesn't seem to be running anything too exotic. He seems to be strictly evaluating at this point. The battle between Rock and Nemo is really heating up. Nemo plowed over a couple of defenders and Rock seemed to have a nice burst getting to the outside. The fumble brought Nemo back down to earth a bit, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. Brunell looks sharp. His passes have zip and his trademark accuracy seems to be back. It would be interesting to see what he can do with the first team but I think Gibbs needs to stand behind Ramsey. Overall I was pleased that we were able to hit some big plays with the first teamers in there. Ramsey was up and down, but there are other factors to keep in mind, like a lack of running game, no Portis, etc. I think he's going to be fine once the entire offense comes together. Brunell is an interesting option though... where are all the Brunell haters now? On a side note, Palmer struggled and was also up and down, I wonder if the Bengals are looking to bench him? __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

08-20-2005, 09:19 AM	#2
Beemnseven Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 52 Posts: 5,311	Re: Thoughts on the game Matty, this is Palmer's second year as a starter after watching Kitna in his rookie season. Palmer looked shaky in the first few series against a still depleted Redskin starting defense, but warmed up a bit as the first half continued on. If you're trying to correlate his performance with Ramsey's, you needn't bother. Palmer, while younger with not as much experience as Ramsey, isn't projecting himself as such the way Ramsey still is. Overall, I think Ramsey had a better game than he did against Carolina, with 9 completions for 190 yards. That's a very nice yards per pass percentage. The problem is that when Ramsey's off, he's WAY off, throwing to guys in opposing jerseys. At this point in Ramsey's career, I think most of us, including Joe Gibbs expect more than that. Ramsey still hasn't settled down, and it's showing. Somebody opined that Ramsey simply cannot seem to handle pressure. But this is the preseason, when he's basically been awarded the starting job, and he's still playing as if he's a wide-eyed rookie trying to atone for himself on just about every play. That makes him restless, trying to go for the jugular instead of missing open receivers underneath and in the intermediate patterns. On two occasions last night, those exact scenarios played out, and he threw two interceptions that completely took the wind out of the team on their way to certain scores. I'm not calling for Ramsey to be benched. Just the opposite -- he needs all the playing time he can get. I still say though that we really should see Brunell start against the Steelers next Friday. But I would say that even if Ramsey had a flawless game. Give it to Brunell against the Steeler first teamers, and get Ramsey some confidence while playing against Pittsburgh reserves. And don't take this observation as "panic". It is what it is -- an observation. But to say that 'everything's fine' and 'all is well' would be stretching. That's all.

08-20-2005, 09:24 AM	#3
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Thoughts on the game I don't know that putting Ramsey in as the second stringer is going to give him confidence. It may pad his stats, but I can't imagine he'd feel too relaxed about Brunell starting. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

08-22-2005, 12:15 AM	#8
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Thoughts on the game I just now watched the full game via TiVo. Here are some observations: 1. I think Mark Brunell is not nearly as bad as I thought he was last year. It must have been injuries that made him stink out the city then because he played decently against Cincy. 2. Patrick Ramsey is not a whole lot more mature as a QB now than he was at the end of last year. He still makes "bad decisions" and he still makes some bad throws. (NOTE: I didn't say he would never get better; I merely observed that against the Bengals he was "the same old Patrick Ramsey") 3. Rock Cartwright and Nehemiah Broughton are "fighting to see who will be the third down back". Here's the deal. Cut both of these lumps of mediocrity and bring back a 35-40 year old Brian Mitchell to fill that role. Even at that age, Mitchell is superior to either of those jamokes. 4. There is not NEARLY enough pressure on the passer generated by the DL. 5. The OL is 100% more effective in its pass blocking than last year. I never saw anyone get past Jansen all night... 6. The OL is 50% more effective in its run blocking than last year. 7. If you love Darnarian McCants, get him to autograph a jersey for you now because absent an injury to Kevin Dyson, he's not likely to be here in Washington much beyond Labor Day. 8. McCune can play LB. He may be the latter-day version of Sam Mills. 9. Boschetti absolutely dominated the guy in front of him in the late 3rd Q and early 4th Q. Is that because the guy in front of him was a stiff who will be outta town next week? Or is it that Boschetti is turning into a quality DL? __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

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