Good/Bad News for a Change - 2013 18MM cap penalty probably (not) going away

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

$18M penalty taken this year, we'll take another $18M next year.

Not sure what the confusion is all about.

It isn't taken into account on the spreadsheet you posted that CC does. No worries, but that is where my confusion came from.

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

It isn't taken into account on the spreadsheet you posted that CC does. No worries, but that is where my confusion came from.

Sorry if the sheets are confusing but yes the $18M for 2012 is included.

The penalty is part of "cap credits" at the bottom. We took an $18M penalty but we had $13M of credits from the year before. So works out to ~$5M.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

Sorry if the sheets are confusing but yes the $18M for 2012 is included.

The penalty is part of "cap credits" at the bottom. We took an $18M penalty but we had $13M of credits from the year before. So works out to ~$5M.

Thanks for explaining, I was trying to see it listed, but didn't see it as a singular line item.

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Thanks for explaining, I was trying to see it listed, but didn't see it as a singular line item.

Ya maybe I'll rename it "Cap Penalties & Credits" to make it clearer.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

Ya maybe I'll rename it "Cap Penalties & Credits" to make it clearer.

If you're going to rename things, i think it would be helpful to have three different rows: One called "Cap Penalties," "Cap Credits" and a "Net Penalty/Credit" which shows the net of the two. Maybe another name for the last column would be better, but i can see this being a continuing point of confusion throughout the offseason. If i hadnt read your post in the other thread, i wouldnt have understood what the the factors went into the "credits" calculation.

If thats too complicated, maybe we could just have a footnote or something on the page that explains how the "Cap Penalties & Credits" was calculated.

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

If you're going to rename things, i think it would be helpful to have three different rows: One called "Cap Penalties," "Cap Credits" and a "Net Penalty/Credit" which shows the net of the two. Maybe another name for the last column would be better, but i can see this being a continuing point of confusion throughout the offseason. If i hadnt read your post in the other thread, i wouldnt have understood what the the factors went into the "credits" calculation.

If thats too complicated, maybe we could just have a footnote or something on the page that explains how the "Cap Penalties & Credits" was calculated.

Maybe I'll add some explanation to the notes page too. I never had cap penalties listed cuz they never existed before this year. I guess Vinny ran a tighter ship than Bruce Allen.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

Sorry if the sheets are confusing but yes the $18M for 2012 is included.

The penalty is part of "cap credits" at the bottom. We took an $18M penalty but we had $13M of credits from the year before. So works out to ~$5M.

Thank you very much for the clarification.

So since we had a credit of 13mil then the ramifications of the next 18mil could be a little more severe to how we are able to work our roster this offseason. Is that a fair assessment CC?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

Thank you very much for the clarification.

So since we had a credit of 13mil then the ramifications of the next 18mil could be a little more severe to how we are able to work our roster this offseason. Is that a fair assessment CC?

I think someone else said it, but we will be able to use cap magic to push a lot of numbers into 2014 if need be, where our cap should seem huge compared to this coming year. Basically we will have the ability, through reworks, option bonuses, etc to offset it's effects to some degree. I imagine we will be in about the same position as we were this year once all is said and done.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I think someone else said it, but we will be able to use cap magic to push a lot of numbers into 2014 if need be, where our cap should seem huge compared to this coming year. Basically we will have the ability, through reworks, option bonuses, etc to offset it's effects to some degree. I imagine we will be in about the same position as we were this year once all is said and done.

I'm sure we'll get by... but it will negatively affect what we could otherwise do in this offseason and in future seasons. Its a good feeling to be able to cut DHall next year without taking any sort of hit. By working "magic" to get by in 2013, we wont be in that same position in future years.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I'm sure we'll get by... but it will negatively affect what we could otherwise do in this offseason and in future seasons. Its a good feeling to be able to cut DHall next year without taking any sort of hit. By working "magic" to get by in 2013, we wont be in that same position in future years.

maybe, but so far BA has shown a good ability to manage the situation. I am sure there will be some negative effect, after all it was a 36Million dollar handicap to the rest of the league. But my belief is that we will be better prepared to deal with it this year, than last when it was sprung after all the plans had been made. And if any relief at all is given, well so much the better.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

maybe, but so far BA has shown a good ability to manage the situation. I am sure there will be some negative effect, after all it was a 36Million dollar handicap to the rest of the league. But my belief is that we will be better prepared to deal with it this year, than last when it was sprung after all the plans had been made. And if any relief at all is given, well so much the better.

I guess another way of looking at it is if there were no uncapped year, we would have been screwed anyway because we'd have been stuck with all those horrible contracts (that we dumped in the uncapped year).

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

Thank you very much for the clarification.

So since we had a credit of 13mil then the ramifications of the next 18mil could be a little more severe to how we are able to work our roster this offseason. Is that a fair assessment CC?

Yes that is a fair assessment. But like CRed said I don't think these issues are insurmountable. A couple restructures and cap related moves and we should be ok.

In the Vinny days we didn't have to deal with penalties but always had big deadcap charges. For instance when we traded Coles for Moss we took an instant $9M deadcap hit.

So while $18M sounds (and is) a lot, it's not that big of a deal, at least in Redskins cap land.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Gotcha. Still this isn't optimal.

Thanks for all the info!