Good/Bad News for a Change - 2013 18MM cap penalty probably (not) going away

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

The player vs player arguments are salary cap related. I want to have the starters from both the NFC pro bowl team and the AFC pro bowl team here with the Redskins, but the salary cap prevents that. So choices have to be made based on production vs pay. When you make decisions based on that, the draft usually comes out ahead.

Again, im not saying FA isnt important, Im just saying that maintaining a winning team when they dont draft well is almost impossible. Maintaining a winning team that drafts well and doesnt do much in FA is more sustainable. So to me, the draft is, and always will be, more important.

But it's not a discussion of free agency vs the the draft. It's more a discussion of doing well in the draft. If you do well in the draft then you won't need to depend on free agency as much - except re-signing your own. Which is what the redskins have focused in so far but arguably moreso of the cap.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

But it's not a discussion of free agency vs the the draft. It's more a discussion of doing well in the draft. If you do well in the draft then you won't need to depend on free agency as much - except re-signing your own. Which is what the redskins have focused in so far but arguably moreso of the cap.

Either way, it boils down to the draft. You cant pay the FA prices to fill up a team and expect to have good players across your roster. Relying on FA usually results in little to no depth.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Either way, it boils down to the draft. You cant pay the FA prices to fill up a team and expect to have good players across your roster. Relying on FA usually results in little to no depth.

What's your take on current redskins players that were signed or re-signed via free agency and/or trades? And also your opinion of signing a free agent cb, safety or offensive tackle?

Say you pick up 3 cb in the draft - are you prepared to cut Wilson as soon as they are drafted. This is the case you would be making. You have much more depth there with 3 cb instead of one and you get rid of his cap hit at the same time. You can do this for all of the players signed through free agency.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

What's your take on current redskins players that were signed or re-signed via free agency and/or trades? And also your opinion of signing a free agent cb, safety or offensive tackle?

Say you pick up 3 cb in the draft - are you prepared to cut Wilson as soon as they are drafted. This is the case you would be making. You have much more depth there with 3 cb instead of one and you get rid of his cap hit at the same time. You can do this for all of the players signed through free agency.

Case and point...

RG3 counts 5 mil against the cap. Name a single free agent that we have signed that has the type of value that RG3 brings to the team. If he doesnt cut it for you, how about Alfred Morris.

I like the Garcon signing, but he will never be able to provide the value that RG3 and Alfmo can bring.

Here is a better question...

Do you want a 27 or 28 year old Garcon at 8 mil per? Or a 23 or 24 year old Garcon at less than 1 mil per?

I am not against signing players via free agency. Granted we need cap space to do so, but that still doesnt change the value that they bring to the team. And yes, you resign your own. I dont count that as a FA. When the Redskins resign RG3, im not going to be calling it the greatest FA pickup ever, I will still refer to it as a draft pick even though he is no longer on his rookie contract.

Also the Ravens are not a good team to bring up. Their major talent is homegrown. The rest was filled out through FA or trades. Which is what I have been saying the whole time. FA/trades should be used to supplement the team that was built through the draft. No team is ever going to be able to claim that they never signed a FA, but the consistently good ones build through the draft and supplement through FA.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Case and point...

RG3 counts 5 mil against the cap. Name a single free agent that we have signed that has the type of value that RG3 brings to the team. If he doesnt cut it for you, how about Alfred Morris.

I like the Garcon signing, but he will never be able to provide the value that RG3 and Alfmo can bring.

Here is a better question...

Do you want a 27 or 28 year old Garcon at 8 mil per? Or a 23 or 24 year old Garcon at less than 1 mil per?

I am not against signing players via free agency. Granted we need cap space to do so, but that still doesnt change the value that they bring to the team. And yes, you resign your own. I dont count that as a FA. When the Redskins resign RG3, im not going to be calling it the greatest FA pickup ever, I will still refer to it as a draft pick even though he is no longer on his rookie contract.

Also the Ravens are not a good team to bring up. Their major talent is homegrown. The rest was filled out through FA or trades. Which is what I have been saying the whole time. FA/trades should be used to supplement the team that was built through the draft. No team is ever going to be able to claim that they never signed a FA, but the consistently good ones build through the draft and supplement through FA.

My point is its not about one vs the other. And with Garçon- you don't have that option. The option is to have Garcon with his salary cap hit or not have him on your team and less his salary. How much you value free agency is the real discussion. Not valuing the draft less or more. The draft is probably the most important way to build a team but the team that proved that they were the best had a good amount of Super Bowl players that made the biggest plays -that were signed through free agency.

And re-signing your own free agents is part of free agency. Please. You can't take that out of the discussion to help your argument.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

My point is its not about one vs the other. And with Garçon- you don't have that option. The option is to have Garcon with his salary cap hit or not have him on your team and less his salary. How much you value free agency is the real discussion. Not valuing the draft less or more. The draft is probably the most important way to build a team but the team that proved that they were the best had a good amount of Super Bowl players that made the biggest plays -that were signed through free agency.

And re-signing your own free agents is part of free agency. Please. You can't take that out of the discussion to help your argument.

Yes I can... Tom Brady has never been an NFL free agent... Ever... He is not considered a FA signing by the Pats, he is considered a Pats draft pick. I very seriously doubt that RG3 will ever hit FA either. The only reason Peyton Manning hit it was because Peyton Manning #2 was available to be drafted by the team that owned the rights to Peyton Manning #1. Excuse the pun, but Indy had a nice bit of Luck with how that fell into place.

I have also told you how much I value FA. I value it as a supplemental thing to help build the team. Nothing more than that. I personally do not believe that not being able to sign everyone we want in FA to be a curse.

Honestly, if Vinny were still in charge, I would drive to NY and thank Mara personally for forcing us to concentrate on the draft.

As you have said yourself, SB teams have a handful of free agents. Handful usually means a few but not many. So that sounds right to me. Built through the draft primarily and supplemented with FA.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Yes I can... Tom Brady has never been an NFL free agent... Ever... He is not considered a FA signing by the Pats, he is considered a Pats draft pick. I very seriously doubt that RG3 will ever hit FA either. The only reason Peyton Manning hit it was because Peyton Manning #2 was available to be drafted by the team that owned the rights to Peyton Manning #1. Excuse the pun, but Indy had a nice bit of Luck with how that fell into place.

I have also told you how much I value FA. I value it as a supplemental thing to help build the team. Nothing more than that. I personally do not believe that not being able to sign everyone we want in FA to be a curse.

Honestly, if Vinny were still in charge, I would drive to NY and thank Mara personally for forcing us to concentrate on the draft.

As you have said yourself, SB teams have a handful of free agents. Handful usually means a few but not many. So that sounds right to me. Built through the draft primarily and supplemented with FA.

Didn't read but your first statement. And let say again - Please. Tell that to the damn Ravens.