Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

This one.

Where I come from, the concept of depth means that when your team sustains injuries, you turn over to your depth and ask them to play a bigger role for you.

The Redskins, on the other hand, turn to their depth and say, "Demetric, you know we like you and all, it's just that...we'd much rather forfeit the entire season than see you at LDE on opening night. Keep doing your thing, buddy."


Are you telling me that Demetric Evans isn't capable of being a decent two down player in the NFL? If that's the case, why have him on the roster at all?

I do hope the extra half (.5) to a full (1.0) win that Taylor delivers over Daniels this season is significant -- because it's probably going to cost us 2-3 wins from 2010 to 2012.

Wow, do you try to be negative all the time or does it just come naturally?

How are we 'forfeiting the entire season' by getting a better, younger player than the one he replaced? Has ANYONE said that Evans would be a suitable replacement?

How can anyone project that a 2nd and 6th round picks will cost us 2-3 wins over a 3 year span? How many games did Taylor Jacobs win us? He was a 2nd round pick. How about Nehemiah Broughton? He was a 6th round pick.

The gaps in logic are mind blowing!!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

So unless a backup is capable of starting he's of no use to a team?

There are guys on every team that aren't starting material but they fill critical roles. Evans is still going to fill an important role.

No, unless he's capable of playing.

Obviously if he's capable of playing at this level, he can start in a pinch. If he can't start in a pinch, what capable role could he fill? That's basically just saying that he's only effective when he spends more time off the field than on it. That's not showing any confidence in the guys' abilities.

I think Evans has proven more than enough in limited time to warrant a longer look, but looks like we're going to have none of that here.

[hail_2_da_skins]

This was a good deal. The Skins desperately needed to bolster their defense line and Jason Taylor was the best player available. At the beginning of training camp, there are very few quality players available. Even thought Taylor is undersized, he has proven to be a great athlete and a very good all around defensive end. I know a lot of people are concerned he weakens the defense against the run and I don't think that will be the case. Taylor will hold his own.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

So unless a backup is capable of starting he's of no use to a team?

There are guys on every team that aren't starting material but they fill critical roles. Evans is still going to fill an important role.

I think Evans is very capable of starting. You don't think so?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

My thoughts exactly. Why the hell is Evans even on the damn team in the first place? Just to be a back-up? I think we would've been just fine with Evans starting and then have James and Wilson back him up along with the 7th rounder Jackson in the mix.

YES!!!!! Do you guys not comprehend the concept of backups? There's no team that has 30 starting caliber players! There are starters and backups. Like there are bosses and secretaries. Not everyone is at the level to be a starter in the NFL. For whatever reason-lack of strength, speed, stamina, whatever-Evans is NOT a starter in the NFL.

[MTK]

There's a big difference between starting in pinch which Evans is certainly capable of and becoming a full-time starter. I like Evans, but if he had to start 16 games I'd be concerned.

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Yes, yes he is. Pretty much has been his whole career.

Not lazy, or unwilling to improve. Just brutally ineffective.

Somehow he was effective enough to be NFL Defensive Player of the Year in 2006. Somehow he is effective enough to be consistently ranked among the best at his position.

I see your point about the run defense maybe dropping off a notch. But the pass defense just got raised three or four notches, I'll take that trade off.

[SKINSnCANES]

Jason Taylor will make everyone around him better. We had no one worth double teaming on our line. Carter stepped up at the end of the year and may have started to get double teamed. If anything now jason taylor will continue to be double teamed and open up opportunities for the other 3 linemen to get to the QB.

Ive always thought Andre Carter was in the mold of Jason Taylor, but hadnt learned all the technique yet. Well now he will learn first hand. No one heard of Adowale Ogunleye (sp) and Taylor turned him into a sack machine by takign the double teams to his side.

Im sooo happy we finally have a pass rush with our front four. We need that pressure even more so being thin at corner.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Wow, do you try to be negative all the time or does it just come naturally?

How are we 'forfeiting the entire season' by getting a better, younger player than the one he replaced? Has ANYONE said that Evans would be a suitable replacement?

How can anyone project that a 2nd and 6th round picks will cost us 2-3 wins over a 3 year span? How many games did Taylor Jacobs win us? He was a 2nd round pick. How about Nehemiah Broughton? He was a 6th round pick.

The gaps in logic are mind blowing!!

Sorry, but you're wrong here.

I also think you need to be more careful when you read (or maybe I need to be more careful when I write). The team could have just plugged in Evans, but they felt that was a worst case scenario (so they went out and got Taylor). I'm only questioning their logic that Evans would have been a worst case scenario.

It's going to cost us games in the future because we're old. The idea is that if we use the 2nd round pick wisely, we could improve the team in the long run, which we can't do now. 2-3 wins in a 3 year span isn't a big deal, I don't think, but it's still sort of mortgaging the future.

Also, good work assuming that every 2nd and 6th round pick will net talent the equivalent of Taylor Jacobs and Nemo. That's pretty pessimistic of you.

[skinsnut]

Evans aint the answer folks...he's a backup...to start, he'd need further grooming...
Ideal scenario is Evans plays situationally for a couple years and develops into a starter before JT retires....however.....Evans aint ready to start for the whole season yet....1 or 2 games maybe...but that is why he's a backup.

I am glad JT was available...I was just hoping we'd pay a lower price

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by memphisskin

Somehow he was effective enough to be NFL Defensive Player of the Year in 2006. Somehow he is effective enough to be consistently ranked among the best at his position.

I see your point about the run defense maybe dropping off a notch. But the pass defense just got raised three or four notches, I'll take that trade off.

I think it makes our defense significantly better this year. Daniels wasn't very good at all against the run last year, and though Taylor isn't an improvement in that respect, he will bring plenty of additional pass rush that we wouldn't have had otherwise.

If we make the playoffs this year, I think the move will justify itself. If we don't make the playoffs, then it probably wasn't a good idea. There's no doubt we're a better team now than we were yesterday, but better doesn't mean we become favorites in the division or anything.

[MTK]

I'm really not sure how losing a 2nd and a 6th equates to losing 2-3 games down the road, that's purely speculative.

[DGreene28]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Sorry but dancing does not get you in football shape. If his head and heart were 100% into football he wouldn't be going on dancing shows. I know I'm in the minority but to me that's just awful.

Some of the best players have used non traditional methods of getting themselves into shape.
Dancing, yoga-doing football players. - By Neal Pollack - Slate Magazine
It could be said the added flexibility Taylor gained from doing the Pasa Doble this offseason will help him get closer to the ground as he breaks around the LT.

This is a great trade, kudos to the FO for getting it done so expeditiously.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Sorry, but you're wrong here.

I also think you need to be more careful when you read (or maybe I need to be more careful when I write). The team could have just plugged in Evans, but they felt that was a worst case scenario (so they went out and got Taylor). I'm only questioning their logic that Evans would have been a worst case scenario.

It's going to cost us games in the future because we're old. The idea is that if we use the 2nd round pick wisely, we could improve the team in the long run, which we can't do now. 2-3 wins in a 3 year span isn't a big deal, I don't think, but it's still sort of mortgaging the future.

Also, good work assuming that every 2nd and 6th round pick will net talent the equivalent of Taylor Jacobs and Nemo. That's pretty pessimistic of you.

It read as if we were forfeiting the season by trading for Taylor so my mistake if it was misinterpreted. I don't know that they felt that putting Evans in there was a worst case scenario, it was just obvious that Taylor was a better case scenario! Look, it's not like they traded 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks for a scrub. Right player, right situation, right price. It's a winning deal.

I wasn't assuming that every 2nd and 6th pick equates to Jacobs or Nemo, just pointing out that it's not a guarantee that they will pan out, reflecting your 2-3 win argument.

Yes building thru the draft is ideal, but in a scenario where you can get one of the top players at his position in the game to fill an immediate need for a reasonable price, you do it, every time.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

YES!!!!! Do you guys not comprehend the concept of backups? There's no team that has 30 starting caliber players! There are starters and backups. Like there are bosses and secretaries. Not everyone is at the level to be a starter in the NFL. For whatever reason-lack of strength, speed, stamina, whatever-Evans is NOT a starter in the NFL.

This is pretty ridiculous. Not the fact that there are starters and backups on every team. That much is obvious. What I find ridiculous is the notion that players can't move between the designations in your mind: once a player is a backup, he's a backup for life, and if he's a starter, he's earned a starting job for life.

Demetric's been a pretty good backup, which means on about 27 teams in the NFL, if the starter goes down, he gets first crack to prove he can hold the fort...as a starter. We apparently aren't one of those 27 teams.