King predicts Haynesworth to Redskins

[SFREDSKIN]

I say forget Haynesworth.

Sign Canty, Jason Brown and D. Evans, draft OL help, DE and LB positions.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

1) Even if a floor can't be established, there will be teams (including the Redskins) willing to spend over the existing cap limit that it will more than offset the loss in player salary payments made by teams dropping below the floor. I don't see how the lack of a salary floor hurts the players when evaluated in concert with the lack of a cap.

Sorry if i wasnt clear in my argument, but i was trying to say the lack of a salary floor hurt the players on the low market teams; while the lack of a cap is not going to be a significant benefit to the majority of players... think of it this way, there is no "cap" on rookie wages at the present. however, if there were a cap of sorts, it would only really affect players taken with the first 5-10 picks in the draft... so few players would be affected by a capless league in 2010, that the players as a whole wont feel any real benefits from it. considering owners will lock out the players in 2011, and they will refuse to end the lockout without a new CBA and a salary cap, the players will gladly allow a salary cap as a concession, since they never saw any benefits from it anyway.

Originally Posted by Schneed10

2) You vastly overestimate the impact of the declining economy on the NFL. The NFL's TV contract calls for a fixed revenue stream and cannot be negotiated. While jersey and merchandise sales are certainly on the decline, they represent too small a piece of the pie to cause a major overall contraction in league-wide revenues. In 2010, if there is a salary cap in place, it WILL BE HIGHER than in 2009. The growth in TV revenues ensures this. It just might not grow quite as fast as it has in years past.

The TV contract is a big piece of the pie, but its also the piece thats shared evenly between the teams. Ticket sales, merchandise, consessions, etc are where the owners can actually make money that they dont have to share. the difference is not as minimal as you think - the difference in ticket sales, merchandice, etc is exactly why teams like the cardinals, packers, and lions always stick close to the salary floor - The owners want to make as much of a profit as possible, and those fanbases are not large enough to provide income to compete with the larger markets like new york, SF, washington, and dallas.

As far as the economy goes, its going to get much worse. the revenue generated from ticket sales, jerseys, etc is very important to the owners and is directly related to the money fans have to spend. everywhere you go, youll find people selling season tickets. When people are struggling to make ends meet, are they going to spend $100 on a jersey? Some will, sure. But not as many as in the past. and we have to remember that the owners of these teams generally own much more than just the team. they are men with investments and ownership in a wide array of businesses. those businesses are all impacted more directly by the economy. Many of the owners also have huge loans for their teams stadiums to pay off - the easiest way to make money is to save money - to cut expenses. why else have so many teams been laying off workers lately? why else does Wade Phillips still have a job? Its because Jerry jones didnt want to have to buy out his contrac and that of a large portion of his staffs contracts and then give new money to the new coaches? The NFL is most certainly not immune to the world economic crisis. The majority of teams will not be throwing money around 2010.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I say forget Haynesworth.

Sign Canty, Jason Brown and D. Evans, draft OL help, DE and LB positions.

If Snyder and Cerrato had any sense, they would do something like this - Id go after Canty, Moore, and Hall as my major signings and draft the same positions you suggest.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well here's the latest that I've heard. It's looking good...or not so good, depending on whether you want Haynesworth or not. I'd put it at around 85% right now that he'll be a Redskin on Saturday. Not too surprising, a lot of people have been testing the waters of this marriage from both camps since Cerrato and Campbell were down at the Senior Bowl. As far as numbers, well I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that he was looking for a minimum of $35 million guaranteed and the rumor is he could get exactly that. As far as the $100 million, I haven't heard anything about that. More like 6 years/$80 million. This won't affect the Hall negotiations from what I've heard but may coincide with Springs and one other veteran (no clue who) being let go this weekend. I think the $100 million must be considering player and team bonuses that could be added on (such as: If Albert Haynesworth is Super Bowl MVP...)

Any idea what the cap number for 2009 would look like?

I would obviously love to have his ability along the D-line, but my concern is signing him will completely crap on our ability to improve the team in other areas this offseason.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Any idea what the cap number for 2009 would look like?

I would obviously love to have his ability along the D-line, but my concern is signing him will completely crap on our ability to improve the team in other areas this offseason.

No idea what the 2009 implication is

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I say forget Haynesworth.

Sign Canty, Jason Brown and D. Evans, draft OL help, DE and LB positions.

Canty will be missed in Dallas.

But you better get in line behind Miami for Canty's services. Last summer the Dolphins tried to package a trade for Canty, then Dallas tagged Canty with a second round RFA tender. Now that he is a free agent, he is chomping at the bit to reunite with the coaches and personnel that drafted him.
Bill Parcells, Jeff Ireland and Tony Sparano.

Free Agency starts at 12:01 AM on the 27th, I will bet by 7:00 AM Canty is signing a Dolphins contract.

[SmootSmack]

I think the Dolphins will focus first on their interior OL. With Merling and Langford, I'm not sure that Canty is a priority

[SkinzzFan]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Canty will be missed in Dallas.

But you better get in line behind Miami for Canty's services. Last summer the Dolphins tried to package a trade for Canty, then Dallas tagged Canty with a second round RFA tender. Now that he is a free agent, he is chomping at the bit to reunite with the coaches and personnel that drafted him.
Bill Parcells, Jeff Ireland and Tony Sparano.

Free Agency starts at 12:01 AM on the 27th, I will bet by 7:00 AM Canty is signing a Dolphins contract.

Yea, maybe. My guess is money will speak louder than any reunion though. He'll go to the highest bidder in my opinion. I would too.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well here's the latest that I've heard. It's looking good...or not so good, depending on whether you want Haynesworth or not. I'd put it at around 85% right now that he'll be a Redskin on Saturday. Not too surprising, a lot of people have been testing the waters of this marriage from both camps since Cerrato and Campbell were down at the Senior Bowl. As far as numbers, well I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that he was looking for a minimum of $35 million guaranteed and the rumor is he could get exactly that. As far as the $100 million, I haven't heard anything about that. More like 6 years/$80 million. This won't affect the Hall negotiations from what I've heard but may coincide with Springs and one other veteran (no clue who) being let go this weekend. I think the $100 million must be considering player and team bonuses that could be added on (such as: If Albert Haynesworth is Super Bowl MVP...)

Anyway that's what I know as of right now, but it's only Tuesday

well, i believe any team or individual money going into a capless counts as being earned, and then if it doesn't happen, you get a credit back at that point, so i'm not sure how feasible that would be with the stupid low cap flexibility we have right now.

again, you can see my earlier post, but hall/haynesworth would pretty much use every last cent we have to make it happen, so i doubt anyone else outside our UFA/RFAs get signed or some low (low) level external FAs, and all for near vet min.

springs and taylor would have to go, and griffin would probably get tossed too to save another 4mill. the upside is that they're all old and weren't going to be here much longer anyways... the downside is your OL will suck, the WRs won't be great (even if you haven't lost hope on devin/fred/kelly, which you shouldn't, they didn't play enough or show enough for this to be their year... so maybe they show some life for 2010... maybe... davis might work out this year though). oh yeah, and you wasted a #2 pick for nothing (taylor).

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well here's the latest that I've heard. It's looking good...or not so good, depending on whether you want Haynesworth or not. I'd put it at around 85% right now that he'll be a Redskin on Saturday. Not too surprising, a lot of people have been testing the waters of this marriage from both camps since Cerrato and Campbell were down at the Senior Bowl. As far as numbers, well I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that he was looking for a minimum of $35 million guaranteed and the rumor is he could get exactly that. As far as the $100 million, I haven't heard anything about that. More like 6 years/$80 million. This won't affect the Hall negotiations from what I've heard but may coincide with Springs and one other veteran (no clue who) being let go this weekend. I think the $100 million must be considering player and team bonuses that could be added on (such as: If Albert Haynesworth is Super Bowl MVP...)

Anyway that's what I know as of right now, but it's only Tuesday

Man, I don't like this at all. AH is a hell of a DT but I just don't like putting that much $$ in one player. Not when we have plenty of other needs.

[That Guy]

um, if the cap goes, doesn't the draft go with it? isn't the draft illegal without the union's consent?

so college players would be immediate free agents, right? or is that a completely separate issue?

[Ruhskins]

By the way, where are the FO bashers?? Shouldnt they be salivating over this AH situation?

[Bubba305-ST21-]

Smoot what do you think.....you think big albert is worth it?

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by That Guy

um, if the cap goes, doesn't the draft go with it? isn't the draft illegal without the union's consent?

so college players would be immediate free agents, right? or is that a completely separate issue?

Yea there won't be a draft after the CBA runs out. I think right now the last draft is 2011.

[vallin21]

I am 99.9% sure Haynesworth will be our starting DT in '09I don't think any other team will give out the type of money he's asking for.