Jay Gruden you are our only hope

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Maybe so but to be made to go back and apologize with ur tail between your legs just makes our coach look like a puppet and our qb look like a spoiled kid who got upset and had DADDY Snyder make things rite. That is the public perception of how this all went down now even if Griff had nothing to do with it. We just keep digging the hole deeper. No effin free agent or coach is going to want anything to do with this shit show of an organization.

The perception of this franchise to the fans and media has taken serious hits lately. Personally I would like the media to ask more challenging questions to BA. The players and the coaches are always on the hot seat time to put the FO on it.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

The perception of this franchise to the fans and media has taken serious hits lately. Personally I would like the media to ask more challenging questions to BA. The players and the coaches are always on the hot seat time to put the FO on it.

You are correct. Our problem at this point is that everybody knows/thinks that DS has completely entrenched himself inside the cookie jar. I really was under the impression that he was standing back the last few years. Now I do not believe that. BA should still probably be the mouthpiece. At least it would appear that there is a chain of command in place and that our players and coaches are only worried about winning football games.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

The perception of this franchise to the fans and media has taken serious hits lately. Personally I would like the media to ask more challenging questions to BA. The players and the coaches are always on the hot seat time to put the FO on it.

Lately? Did you say lately? This franchise has been rightly perceived as one huge cluster **** ever since Dan Snyder took over the reins.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Bucket

He shouldn't of called RG3 out. Yet, I didn't have a problem with it. He should stick to speaking as a whole rather calling someone out.

While I agree behind closed doors is always the way to go, I thought in a way it was kind of refreshing to hear it from our HC to this DC media. Because it basically trumped a their narrative.

Also, Gruden doing that was much more acceptable than RG3 deflecting blame. In the lockerroom, Gruden scored a ton of points.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by punch it in

So now Gruden is basically told to apologize and point out that he was a bad little boy for blaming one guy.

Was Gruden in fact ordered to apologize or was that assumed by either Florio or yourself? This is a straight question and not a criticism.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Was Gruden in fact ordered to apologize or was that assumed by either Florio or yourself? This is a straight question and not a criticism.

Well what do you think? Do you think that Gruden went home and said to himself, "that wasnt very nice to say I better make this rite". I mean the two pressers were absolutely night and day. If there is one thing I believe Jay to be it is a strait shooter who is uber honest when he addresses the media. He doesnt seem indecisive in the slightest.
I completely believe he was told to make things right. Imo it made them more effed up.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Well what do you think? Do you think that Gruden went home and said to himself, "that wasnt very nice to say I better make this rite". I mean the two pressers were absolutely night and day. If there is one thing I believe Jay to be it is a strait shooter who is uber honest when he addresses the media. He doesnt seem indecisive in the slightest.
I completely believe he was told to make things right. Imo it made them more effed up.

So that was an assumption. That's OK. I get that you might assume that. Why wouldn't someone assume that based on the circumstances?

On the other hand, based on my own experiences, I think that Gruden may well have decided to apologize on his own. As a manager, I sometimes said things to employees that I later regretted saying and I apologized for on my own initiative. I apologized for saying those things in the manner or place in which they were said. It wasn't that the things I said weren't true. But they were said in a manner or place that was hurtful or embarrassing to the other person and not helpful to our relationship. He may have apologized for similar reasons.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

So, that was an assumption. I get that you might assume that. Why wouldn't someone assume that based on the circumstances?



On the other hand, based on my own experiences, I think that Gruden may well have decided to apologize on his own. As a manager, I said things to employees that I later regretted saying and I then apologized on my own initiative. I apologized for saying those things in the manner or place in which they were said. It wasn't that the things I said weren't true. But they were said in a manner or place that was hurtful or embarrassing to the other person and not helpful to our relationship.

Of course we are assuming either way since neither of us know. Lets put it this way than, whether gruden did it on his own or not it was dumb. Because we both know that the world thinks he was ordered, as you said, why wouldnt they.

[BaltimoreSkins]

True enough. I was just referring to the current debacle when I said lately. Poor choice of word

[donofriose]

If they fired Gruden I see no way they could keep Allen, RG3, or any other big influence in Washington (outside of Snyder for obvious reasons).

Like George W. Bush said... You can't fool me twice.

[KI Skins Fan]

At this point, I really couldn't criticize any of the decision-makers concerning the choice of a starting QB. It seems to me that they have all probably done what they felt they needed to do for the needs of the business up to this point.

Nevertheless, I think that things could change dramatically if RGIII has another meltdown against the 49'ers.

[Evilgrin]

Can't fire Gruden, he is the only we have going for us.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by Evilgrin

Can't fire Gruden, he is the only we have going for us.

What is it that's "going"?
I dont see squat.....

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Evilgrin

Can't fire Gruden, he is the only we have going for us.

How has Gruden produced? What track record speaks for him?

I'm not saying he should be fired - such would disturb team continuity (again). But he has nothing on his record which screams "keep him," either.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Lotus

How has Gruden produced? What track record speaks for him?



I'm not saying he should be fired - such would disturb team continuity (again). But he has nothing on his record which screams "keep him," either.

So again-... If all the rumors are true and he wanted Mcoy playing and we were 5-5 rite now? Than what? Not saying mccoy would have won, not even saying he wanted him playing. But if he did than there is a possibility the results are different. Gotta give him atleast the benefit of doubt.