The everything Gruden thread

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Draw a line, my foot. Gruden works for Dan Snyder and, whether he likes it or not, RGIII is a special case.

Snyder should tell Gruden that RGIII will be on the team in 2015, that Gruden must hire a QB Coach, that he (Snyder) expects to receive regular reports from Gruden on RGIII's progress, and that Gruden needs to watch his mouth when he talks to the media about RGIII. Snyder made a big investment in RGIII and he has a right to ensure that every reasonable measure is taken to try to get RGIII on the field as the starting QB of his franchise.

Gruden has not done all he can do to get RGIII ready to play and now he's trying to blow off his responsibility for that objective which he surely must have been given when he was hired. I am not impressed.

If this is true - this is why we will continue to suck forever more. Snyder doesn't know shit about quarterbacks. He doesn't know shit about how to coach a football team - he is a terrible evaluator of talent. RG3 has been benched by two different head coaches in two years. If RG3 is here next year he will almost certainly be benched again. I don't know what they see in this guy, but i am not a professional nor a scout or anything of that nature. I don't know why they need to see more of RG3 to know what they have. The NFL has saw that he is a poor quarterback, with poor fundamentals and mechanics. Former NFL Head Coaches have anonymously said that the Redskins made a tremendous error in drafting Griffin.

Snyder can't continue to bring in coaches, and then when those coaches decide that RG3 sucks, as all coaches will / should, he can't keep firing them and hoping the next guy can make something out of nothing. You can't put lip-stick on a pig. There are some big egos in Washington. Nobody really wants to admit that RG3 was a pig in a poke...

I don't believe he is starting QB caliber or else he would not have been benched two years straight. How many more years do we fail to win a game before people finally give up on RG3? His win-loss record is venturing into Jamarcus Russell territory...at what point can Snyder say enough is enough? 4 years? 10 years?

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by VTSkins1961

option 3 - get rid of both of them.... Not saying I would do it....

Pretty disappointed in both of them, although I still say RG has at least given us some good times, Gruden's been a complete failure so far.

If RG goes to another franchise that coaches him to potential (especially if it's Dallas, meanwhile Gruden fuddles around here without getting results from QB or whoever he turns to next, I hope to God Snyder sees the light and sends Gruden packing with tail pinned to his dumbass.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Pretty disappointed in both of them, although I still say RG has at least given us some good times, Gruden's been a complete failure so far.

If RG goes to another franchise that coaches him to potential (especially if it's Dallas, meanwhile Gruden fuddles around here without getting results from QB or whoever he turns to next, I hope to God Snyder sees the light and sends Gruden packing with tail pinned to his dumbass.

I'm going to trust Gruden on this one. He's actually played the position. He's also been coaching offense for a while now. I'm going to trust that he knows better than anyone one of us, or anyone in the Redskins front office, that Griffin isn't starter material.

[VTSkins1961]

Not Gruden fault but RG3 was not handled the right way from the get go. Coming out of college everyone knew he wasn't a "pro style" QB. It would have been better not to have him start from day 1 and just develop him as a pocket passer, not allow him to do all the comercials and earn his way to be the starter. Should have had him just focus on football. He will never be the QB he could have been coming out of college...too many injuries..damaged goods at this point. Hindsight is everything......

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm going to trust Gruden on this one. He's actually played the position. He's also been coaching offense for a while now. I'm going to trust that he knows better than anyone one of us, or anyone in the Redskins front office, that Griffin isn't starter material.

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm going to trust Gruden on this one. He's actually played the position. He's also been coaching offense for a while now. I'm going to trust that he knows better than anyone one of us, or anyone in the Redskins front office, that Griffin isn't starter material.

Word. But still. Just imagine RG balling for the Cowboys in 2-3 years. Jones is already Jonesing for him and one thing about the Cowboys, they take care of their QB and don't hesitate bringing in more coaches, lots of them, to find the right chemistry.

[punch it in]

Ryan Leaf was just released from prison. Our qb problem is over! All he did was hit the weights and study our offense for two years. I am so excited. Its not to late to ask Santa for a Leaf jersey either. Its amazing how things can turn around so fast. HTTR!


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[Rotten1980]

RGs winning the maturity battle. Grudens biggest problem tho is so far it hasn't mattered who plays QB because we didnt score when it mattered, didn't score enough to win that week. He and the team look unfocused and unprepared, stupid mental errors all around, blown coverages and stupid plays called AND LATE PLAYCALLS. That shits varsity level.

Snyder is who matters though and who knows what's spinning there

[Ruhskins]

I hate to say this, but Gruden's first year is reminding me a lot of McDaniels first year in Denver, when he went in and drove Cutler out of town and ended up making a mess. I know it is not the same exact situation, but I think they are somewhat similar.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I hate to say this, but Gruden's first year is reminding me a lot of McDaniels first year in Denver, when he went in and drove Cutler out of town and ended up making a mess. I know it is not the same exact situation, but I think they are somewhat similar.

Yeah it appears we might be heading that way.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I hate to say this, but Gruden's first year is reminding me a lot of McDaniels first year in Denver, when he went in and drove Cutler out of town and ended up making a mess. I know it is not the same exact situation, but I think they are somewhat similar.

You make a very good, if tragic, point.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I hate to say this, but Gruden's first year is reminding me a lot of McDaniels first year in Denver, when he went in and drove Cutler out of town and ended up making a mess. I know it is not the same exact situation, but I think they are somewhat similar.

Very true. I think this speaks to the point that being a rookie HC can be extremely tough...I would say both are trying to impose change the wrong way. Everyone in a leadership role once they chose to take on that responsibilty wants to put there stamp on the position and create a vision. This isnt anything new. Probably hasnt gone about it the best way.

But the struggles and the frustration in implementing these changes speaks more to the disfunction of the franchise. Folks, we see it time and time again with Dan Snyder and his Lackies who run the team. They seem to make it impossible to get everyone on the same page and feel the need to do stupid shit like hire coaches and retain coaches even before the HC is chosen. Its a way to keep them in control, by keeping people in "their" corner.

This is what we call a flawed management model. Built on distrust and fear of not being able to control certain things and creates multiple voices...some which shouldnt be allowed to speak at all.

This is not a HC coach problem, Redskins have a flawed organization model.

The metaphor for this model would be an image of a large amount waste, within a oversized green metallic bin, ablaze, with black smoke rising

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

The metaphor for this model would be an image of a large amount waste, within a oversized green metallic bin, ablaze, with black smoke rising

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I hate to say this, but Gruden's first year is reminding me a lot of McDaniels first year in Denver, when he went in and drove Cutler out of town and ended up making a mess. I know it is not the same exact situation, but I think they are somewhat similar.

Cutler was already established. He was a lot more highly regarded ( at that time) around the NFL as a professional QB than RG3 is. McDaniels really didn't have a good enough reason to run off Cutler.

Right now, Gruden has legitimate reasons to move on. He's obviously no longer interested in developing a drama queen that's a project. He may have signed on for it, but things have obviously changed.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Cutler was already established. He was a lot more highly regarded ( at that time) around the NFL as a professional QB than RG3 is. McDaniels really didn't have a good enough reason to run off Cutler.

Right now, Gruden has legitimate reasons to move on. He's obviously no longer interested in developing a drama queen that's a project. He may have signed on for it, but things have obviously changed.

My problem with Gruden is that it seems like he didn't even try or more like he didn't want to try to develop Griffin. I'm talking about the beginning of the year when we didn't have much drama going on and we didn't have the cloud of a losing season.

I do think that it is time for everyone to move on. But I see a lot of things in Gruden that concerns me moving forward with or without RG3.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

My problem with Gruden is that it seems like he didn't even try or more like he didn't want to try to develop Griffin. I'm talking about the beginning of the year when we didn't have much drama going on and we didn't have the cloud of a losing season.

I do think that it is time for everyone to move on. But I see a lot of things in Gruden that concerns me moving forward with or without RG3.

It seems like that from the outside. Gruden doesn't seem like a patient guy to me. But remember, he's been up close and around him since April or May? Plus he's looked at tape from last year. He probably realizes that Griffin has a real long way to go and may never develop. He's got to do this his way, not the way Snyder wants him to do it.