Coronavirus (sports edition) thread

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

That is simply useless parroting. Masks were going to end it. Lockouts were going to end it. Travel bans were going to end it. This thing has a course to run, and how long it takes is independent of the curves and charts we have seen from day 1. Remember when it started - flatten the curve, what a joke.

Australia has a 15% vaccination rate.
Germany has a 52% Vax rate
The US has a 50% Vax rate
France has a 48% Vax rate

Canada has a 59% Vax rate

Here are 2 graphs:
world deathrate from beginning til now
and
us death rate from beginning til now

The political catch phrases and jargon are just that jargon to stir up anxiety and fear in the masses one way or the other. We should be better than that.

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Masks and lockdowns were going to contain it, not end it. They were going to keep it in check until we could get shots in arms. What was not expected was so many people turning into dumb ass anti vaxxers over night because of YouTube videos.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

The funny thing about this comment is I was going to say the exact same thing about your 'only 1 side comment' and chose not to because it would not enhance anything.

Sorry if 6 graphs showing the deaths over time in relation to the 5 countries vax rates I mentioned in the text is indecipherable to you - though I am as positive it wasn't really indecipherable, or spamming, as I am that you would be never bogged down by 6 graphs given the work in statistical analysis and cap number sheets you have done on this site alone.

To be clear, my point in showing the graphs, was to show that regardless of country policy, or vax rate, this virus has a course to run.

A side point is that the NFL setting different standards for vax vs unvax'd will have 0 effect on the course of the virus. They do it for political purposes, and more importantly, they do it to give the general public an enhanced feeling of security so that they can fill up the stadiums for revenue purposes.

But you're missing oodles of context CRed, and it's causing you to misinterpret the graphs. Three very important things you're missing:

1) You need to overlay the dates on which various measures were put into place. Take the US graph, and draw a vertical line on the date when our social distancing measures were instituted. And draw another vertical line on the dates when the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were approved for emergency use authorization. The context you're missing is what the numbers would have been if no social distancing or masking measures were put in place, and what they would have been more recently if the vaccines weren't rolled out.

2) Trying to trend total COVID cases and expecting a meaningful visual trend to emerge is a fool's errand. We weren't testing for the illness consistently in the early going.

3) If you think coronaviruses need to run a course, as if they have a lifecycle, shows you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how viruses like these replicate themselves. The flu does not run its course, the flu follows this same peak and valley pattern and comes back every year, hence we are vaccinated every year. The common cold, another coronavirus, does the same thing, with more frequent peaks and valleys throughout the year, but peaking highest in colder weather when everyone spends more time indoors.
This coronavirus is no different and will not peter out on its own. It is well understood throughout the scientific community that it is here to stay and will require annual vaccination just like the flu does. Maybe you choose not to get the annual flu shot, after all it doesn't represent the same grave threat to life that COVID does. But it's here to stay like the cold and the flu. You'll need a booster every year, or you'll face this threat every winter in particular.

And before you go in on me about Australia, they've had closed borders since the pandemic began. So overlay that line on your little chart, too.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Dude .. thats a lot of vitriol for a Monday morning.

Nice to meet you, I'm Schneed, I go in on dumbass shit.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Me in fall 2022 getting flu and covid booster shots at the same time.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Me in fall 2022 getting flu and covid booster shots at the same time.

[CRedskinsRule]

I won't go into the whole back and forth with you Schneed, not because we couldn't but because it is as fruitless as every debate in the debating with your enemy forum. Don't really care much if I've "lost all credibility" either because all those points you raised, and each one is valid on its face, just muddy the factual waters in relationship to the NFL players and their Vax status relative to the course of this virus.

The bottomline is the nfl is a workplace and commercial enterprise. They have set up specific rules that allow for personal choice regardless if they are "dumbs" to you, punch, or me. The players through their union agreed to these rules, and players are abiding by them whether they Vax or not. That is the point of this sports thread. Any other stuff can go in the parking lot forum or debating with the enemy forum.



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[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I won't go into the whole back and forth with you Schneed, not because we couldn't but because it is as fruitless as every debate in the debating with your enemy forum. Don't really care much if I've "lost all credibility" either because all those points you raised, and each one is valid on its face, just muddy the factual waters in relationship to the NFL players and their Vax status relative to the course of this virus.

The bottomline is the nfl is a workplace and commercial enterprise. They have set up specific rules that allow for personal choice regardless if they are "dumbs" to you, punch, or me. The players through their union agreed to these rules, and players are abiding by them whether they Vax or not. That is the point of this sports thread. Any other stuff can go in the parking lot forum or debating with the enemy forum.



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Fair enough then, back to the football side of it...

Teams with a higher percentage of unvaccinated players have a higher chance of forfeiting games. Nobody's going to argue with that unless they just don't understand anything about viruses or vaccines.

Bully for us. Best team we've had in years, it would be truly Redskinesque to finish 9-8 with two forfeits.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Fair enough then, back to the football side of it...



Teams with a higher percentage of unvaccinated players have a higher chance of forfeiting games. Nobody's going to argue with that unless they just don't understand anything about viruses or vaccines.



Bully for us. Best team we've had in years, it would be truly Redskinesque to finish 9-8 with two forfeits.

And that I agree with and would hope these guys would choose to get the shots.

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[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Fair enough then, back to the football side of it...

Teams with a higher percentage of unvaccinated players have a higher chance of forfeiting games. Nobody's going to argue with that unless they just don't understand anything about viruses or vaccines.

Bully for us. Best team we've had in years, it would be truly Redskinesque to finish 9-8 with two forfeits.

What is driving me crazy is that there are teams that have 90+% vaccination rates. Why are we the only ones at the bottom????

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Fair enough then, back to the football side of it...

Teams with a higher percentage of unvaccinated players have a higher chance of forfeiting games. Nobody's going to argue with that unless they just don't understand anything about viruses or vaccines.

Bully for us. Best team we've had in years, it would be truly Redskinesque to finish 9-8 with two forfeits.

That would be pretty infuriating

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by MTK

That would be pretty infuriating

And you know you can see it coming from a mile away but you still can't get out of the middle of the road.

[MTK]

Worse yet, go 12-5 and win the division and get bounced early in the playoffs due to guys on the covid list.

But hey, freedom.

[Monkeydad]

Not only are politics a big part of the vaccine push, so is money.


https://www.tmz.com/2021/07/31/cdc-p...id-19-vaccine/

https://nypost.com/2021/07/31/cdc-pa...Daily%20Update



So LaMar Jackson has tested positive a second time.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by MTK

Worse yet, go 12-5 and win the division and get bounced early in the playoffs due to guys on the covid list.

But hey, freedom.

Some things are more important than football.

Like...freedom.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Some things are more important than football.

Like...freedom.

And we can have them both. I don't see how taking a vaccine is giving up any sort of freedoms but whatevs.