Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)

[DIRTEE]

Drift Reality - I was just joking with you. I totally understood where you were going with your statement.

[GTripp0012]

Could Jason Taylor end up back in Miami? - The Phinsider

[The Goat]

So long JT...

That 8.5 mil could be better spent in soooo many ways.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by The Goat

So long JT...

That 8.5 mil could be better spent in soooo many ways.

Goats right 8.5 does nice things. But so does a healthy JT

[MdBluefinCrab]

What's even more sickening is that on top of giving away a 2nd round draft pick, Vinny only signs him to a 1 year contract. Vinny does this with every big name FA. He pays them big bucks, gives away future draft picks and only signs them to 1 year contracts.
In the case of Taylor, he gets a freak injury and we don't get the expected production out of him. At the end of the season Blache lets him play his natural position, he starts to make an impact and the season's over.
Now that his contract is null and void, if we want to keep him it'll cost another 8.5 million. Shouldn't this have been negotiated in the first place? Maybe sign him to a 2 year contract where he could make his 8.5 million in incentives in the second year of his contract? At least we would have had the opportunity to see if he could add any value to our defense in, at the least, a limited role as an outside linebacker in passing situations. At least get some kind of value from giving away our 2nd round pick.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by MdBluefinCrab

What's even more sickening is that on top of giving away a 2nd round draft pick, Vinny only signs him to a 1 year contract. Vinny does this with every big name FA. He pays them big bucks, gives away future draft picks and only signs them to 1 year contracts.
In the case of Taylor, he gets a freak injury and we don't get the expected production out of him. At the end of the season Blache lets him play his natural position, he starts to make an impact and the season's over.
Now that his contract is null and void, if we want to keep him it'll cost another 8.5 million. Shouldn't this have been negotiated in the first place? Maybe sign him to a 2 year contract where he could make his 8.5 million in incentives in the second year of his contract? At least we would have had the opportunity to see if he could add any value to our defense in, at the least, a limited role as an outside linebacker in passing situations. At least get some kind of value from giving away our 2nd round pick.

He signed him to a 1 year contract?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by MdBluefinCrab

What's even more sickening is that on top of giving away a 2nd round draft pick, Vinny only signs him to a 1 year contract. Vinny does this with every big name FA. He pays them big bucks, gives away future draft picks and only signs them to 1 year contracts.
In the case of Taylor, he gets a freak injury and we don't get the expected production out of him. At the end of the season Blache lets him play his natural position, he starts to make an impact and the season's over.
Now that his contract is null and void, if we want to keep him it'll cost another 8.5 million. Shouldn't this have been negotiated in the first place? Maybe sign him to a 2 year contract where he could make his 8.5 million in incentives in the second year of his contract? At least we would have had the opportunity to see if he could add any value to our defense in, at the least, a limited role as an outside linebacker in passing situations. At least get some kind of value from giving away our 2nd round pick.

Wrong, he came over on his contract from the Dolphins. Vinny didn't sign him to anything.

[MdBluefinCrab]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Wrong, he came over on his contract from the Dolphins. Vinny didn't sign him to anything.

Now you're talking semantics. It's still for 1 year and it cost us a 2nd round draft pick. All I'm saying is why not sign the guy to a 2 year contract and at least get some kind of value for giving away your future draft pick. If Taylor or any other FA that Vinny signed didn't like the terms of the contract, then let them go else where and we keep our draft picks.
Vinny has done this multiple times with FA acquisitions. We give up future draft picks, pay the aging star a ton of money and sign him up for ...1 year.
I'm sorry but it just doesn't make sense to me. We get nothing in return for giving away our future Draft picks and then usually end up losing that player after his 1 year is up. All that does is show desperation on the part of the Redskins and gives the upper hand to the "1 year Wonder".

[MTK]

Originally Posted by MdBluefinCrab

Now you're talking semantics. It's still for 1 year and it cost us a 2nd round draft pick. All I'm saying is why not sign the guy to a 2 year contract and at least get some kind of value for giving away your future draft pick. If Taylor or any other FA that Vinny signed didn't like the terms of the contract, then let them go else where and we keep our draft picks.
Vinny has done this multiple times with FA acquisitions. We give up future draft picks, pay the aging star a ton of money and sign him up for ...1 year.
I'm sorry but it just doesn't make sense to me. We get nothing in return for giving away our future Draft picks and then usually end up losing that player after his 1 year is up. All that does is show desperation on the part of the Redskins and gives the upper hand to the "1 year Wonder".

Semantics? You said they signed him to a 1 year deal which simply isn't true. Say what you mean and mean what you say in the future so we don't have to argue about "semantics".

[MdBluefinCrab]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Semantics? You said they signed him to a 1 year deal which simply isn't true. Say what you mean and mean what you say in the future so we don't have to argue about "semantics".

He was signed for 1 year. He had a 1 year deal here. He was obligated to play for 1 year in Washington.
Like it or not, I call it semantics as he was signed to a 1 (one) year deal to play for the Redskins. Arguing about whether or not he was actually signed to a "contract" is irrelevant. My point was why only 1 year? Why not try and get at least 2 years out of a player that you gave away future draft picks for?
I'll cede the contract argument to you, just answer my question. Is it worth signing FA players to 1 year contracts (or whatever) when giving away future draft picks then in order to keep that same player, you have to re negotiate his contract for millions of dollars more? Do you see any logic in the way Vinny goes after these FA's?

[MTK]

Hindsight sure is a bitch, funny that 92% of people approved of the trade when it happened.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Hindsight sure is a bitch, funny that 92% of people approved of the trade when it happened.

Thanks for pointing this out Matty. People just love to complain. I swear this sounds like a Lions board rather than a team that went 8-8 with a rookie HC. I'm sick of all this negativity, it's like people that thought signing JT was a bad idea are getting high of the fact that they were right.

I was ok with this signing, and unfortunately for the team it didn't work out due to JT's injury. It's a shame that he didn't produce as he did for Miami last season.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Thanks for pointing this out Matty. People just love to complain. I swear this sounds like a Lions board rather than a team that went 8-8 with a rookie HC. I'm sick of all this negativity, it's like people that thought signing JT was a bad idea are getting high of the fact that they were right.

I was ok with this signing, and unfortunately for the team it didn't work out due to JT's injury. It's a shame that he didn't produce as he did for Miami last season.

Well, looking at the tone of this whole thread, I would say it's was overwhelmingly positive on the move at the time.

People here know that I don't bring up every thread I'm right on. What's the point? I could dig up 2007 draft threads where people say JaMarcus Russell is unquestionably the next great NFL QB, or 2008 draft threads where people argued in favor of insanity that Mel Kiper could have possibly been wrong on the quality of our second round. But I'd also have to bring up threads like the one where I tried to argue that Matt Ryan wouldn't be a franchise QB and such.

I only brought this thread up because people are bitching constantly about the fact that we traded away picks, but when we are actually trading away the picks, people think it's crazy to question the front office for doing so. Then they themselves will spend all of draft season bitching about it.

Plus, it's fun to look back at what people, especially the confident ones, had to say before the season.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, looking at the tone of this whole thread, I would say it's was overwhelmingly positive on the move at the time.

People here know that I don't bring up every thread I'm right on. What's the point? I could dig up 2007 draft threads where people say JaMarcus Russell is unquestionably the next great NFL QB, or 2008 draft threads where people argued in favor of insanity that Mel Kiper could have possibly been wrong on the quality of our second round. But I'd also have to bring up threads like the one where I tried to argue that Matt Ryan wouldn't be a franchise QB and such.

I only brought this thread up because people are bitching constantly about the fact that we traded away picks, but when we are actually trading away the picks, people think it's crazy to question the front office for doing so. Then they themselves will spend all of draft season bitching about it.

Plus, it's fun to look back at what people, especially the confident ones, had to say before the season.

Gtripp, I was referring to the people that posted after your recent post and were like: see signing JT was a mistake....we knew this would happen...the FO sucks for doing this....etc., etc. And you're right, there are prob ppl that complain about trading picks away who were in favor of the JT trade. Like I said, to me the naysayers of this trade (then) seem to be glad they were right and this trade failed.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Gtripp, I was referring to the people that posted after your recent post and were like: see signing JT was a mistake....we knew this would happen...the FO sucks for doing this....etc., etc. And you're right, there are prob ppl that complain about trading picks away who were in favor of the JT trade. Like I said, to me the naysayers of this trade (then) seem to be glad they were right and this trade failed.

Well, re-reading my post, it perhaps looks like I was criticizing you, but I was actually trying to re-inforce your point about the negativity. It's insane.

It's insane (I believe) because people got really, really happy about the Taylor trade, which as fans, they really should be happy. But they were only that happy because they didn't understand the value of a 2nd round pick in 2009. The thread was in July, the economy was growing, and the 2009 NFL Draft was on no ones mind. Now people WANT to release Jason Taylor because of his high cap number, and bitch that we shouldn't have done the trade.

I think you have the right attitude here. You supported the deal at the time, it didn't work out, why dwell on it? I wish more people would take your approach to it.

I disagree though that others who expressed concern shouldn't be able to point out that they knew what they were talking about. It was 92-8 in favor of the deal...so tempered optimism appears to have been the right approach.

In hindsight. If Jason Taylor had gone off for 13 sacks and the Redskins had won 10 games, we wouldn't have cared about that second rounder.

I don't hold Taylor responsible for any of this. He did everything Blache asked him to do while he was here to the best of his 34 year old ability. His sack total was the product of his injury plauged body combined with a (IMO) oftentimes moronic defensive gameplan. It was also second highest on the team.