'Overpaying' reality check

RiggoRules · 03-13-2006, 12:44 PM

Right now, we don't have enough details on the contract to be able to really say if anyone has gotten overpaid or not. That said, these deals are probably very reasonable in terms of a cap perspective. More importantly, the cost isn't as important as the value to the team. These are very exciting signings for the Skins. Are offense got much, much better.

D'BOYZ · 03-13-2006, 01:01 PM

how much was lloyd sign for? also great wa yto attack your needs in FA I tought you wouldn't be as agressive as other year I stand corrected. Great pick ups .... the only thing that I question is why give a #3 receiver #2/ #1 type money?

Don't you believe that with Moss, Lloyd and Randall you have to much money straped in 1 position?

SUNRA · 03-13-2006, 01:01 PM

The main reason all of these good players with a lot of upside are considering the Redskins over other teams balls down to a well organized group of guys Gibbs and Synder have around them. First, we get Brunell, Portis and Springs to restructure their contracts before the CBA extension. That freed up over 10 million between the three of them. Add 4.5 million from Lavar and 7.5 million with the CBA Agreement now we're cooking. Ramsey will free up 1.9 million with additional money coming from Ryan Clark, Ladell Betts, and at least one of the RF Agents.

When I heard about Synder sending a plane to the Carribean to talk to Collins I knew what Gibbs meant by having an aggressive free agency mission.

SUNRA · 03-13-2006, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

how much was lloyd sign for? also great wa yto attack your needs in FA I tought you wouldn't be as agressive as other year I stand corrected. Great pick ups .... the only thing that I question is why give a #3 receiver #2/ #1 type money?

Don't you believe that with Moss, Lloyd and Randall you have to much money straped in 1 position?

Absolutely not. When Gibbs kicked Coles,McCants and Gardner out of D.C. last year he had a plan to get those free agents that you now see in D.C.
The money is available through cooperative restructring via Brunell, Springs and Portis. With that restructuring before the CBA agreement, it allowed us to get on the job quicker than most teams. Lets face it, it's hard to get almost one player to re-structure today. Next on our target John Abraham or Andre Carter. Then Collins (QB) and then wait for the draft.

RiggoRules · 03-13-2006, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

how much was lloyd sign for? also great wa yto attack your needs in FA I tought you wouldn't be as agressive as other year I stand corrected. Great pick ups .... the only thing that I question is why give a #3 receiver #2/ #1 type money?

Don't you believe that with Moss, Lloyd and Randall you have to much money straped in 1 position?

And what exactly is Dallas going to do in FA?

I've got a great idea. Why don't you bring in a 33 year old WR who is a known coach and QB killer who once did a jig on the Dallas Star. That should really help build some locker room chemistry.

mcalderone10 · 03-13-2006, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RiggoRules

And what exactly is Dallas going to do in FA?

I've got a great idea. Why don't you bring in a 33 year old WR who is a known coach and QB killer who once did a jig on the Dallas Star. That should really help build some locker room chemistry.

that was sucha great moment in skins history when he went after the star.

D'BOYZ · 03-13-2006, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mcalderone10

that was sucha great moment in skins history when he went after the star.

ok why was it such a great moment in skins history, it had nothing to do with your team??? or player? in my opinion beating us last year at home a thing you hadn't do in 10 years losing 13-0 had more meening but hey what ever gets you high.

Also I agree with the TO call I'm not in favor of it..... but that doesn't answers the question I placed before why pay #2 or #1 wr money to a #3? and also you have 4 wr with the same body frame and type of game play you don't have an actual posesion recevier.

TrustinGibbs · 03-13-2006, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

Yes, these reports are the experts and know everything. Think of all thier keen insight from last year... For instance:

The game has passed Gibbs by
No way the Skins make the playoffs
The Skins will be in salary cap hell
The skins are going to have to field 25 rookies
The Coles for Moss trade was a terrible decision

Feel free to pile on...

"Sideline" Santana is soft.

GW wont be back as Skin's DC.

Joe Gibbs isn't a football coach anymore, he wont ever coach again...EVER.

Brunell is done, the worst QB in the NFL(okay I said that too).

RiggoRules · 03-13-2006, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

Also I agree with the TO call I'm not in favor of it..... but that doesn't answers the question I placed before why pay #2 or #1 wr money to a #3? and also you have 4 wr with the same body frame and type of game play you don't have an actual posesion recevier.

Explaining things to Dallas fans is never easy, but I'll give it a shot. ;-)

Saunders big body possession receiver in KC was Gonzo. Here it is Cooley.

The reason why it is worth it to pay what it takes to get those new #2 and #3 receivers is that it is an automatic upgrade at the following positions:

WR2
WR3
WR1
QB
RB
TE/H-Back

As TO fails to understand, this is a team game. The passing game has been improved for less money and at less risk than going out and buying another QB.

These moves should be much easier to grasp than most of the ones The Crypt Keeper (J. Jones) has made over the years.

Pocket$ $traight · 03-13-2006, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

ok why was it such a great moment in skins history, it had nothing to do with your team??? or player? in my opinion beating us last year at home a thing you hadn't do in 10 years losing 13-0 had more meening but hey what ever gets you high.

Also I agree with the TO call I'm not in favor of it..... but that doesn't answers the question I placed before why pay #2 or #1 wr money to a #3? and also you have 4 wr with the same body frame and type of game play you don't have an actual posesion recevier.

Hey, I knew you were out there somewhere!
I think Moss had possesion when he torched your "golden boy" safety on MNF.

How was that ride home when it was 35-0???

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-13-2006, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

ok why was it such a great moment in skins history, it had nothing to do with your team??? or player? in my opinion beating us last year at home a thing you hadn't do in 10 years losing 13-0 had more meening but hey what ever gets you high.

Also I agree with the TO call I'm not in favor of it..... but that doesn't answers the question I placed before why pay #2 or #1 wr money to a #3? and also you have 4 wr with the same body frame and type of game play you don't have an actual posesion recevier.

You're absolutely right about the Monday Night Miracles. That was undoubtedly one of the best Redskins moments in recent history.

But, I fail to see how it matters that we lack a possession wideout when we have one of the best WR corps in the league. Moreover, I think Cooley will fill the "possession receiver" role quite nicely.

I don't want to make any bold predictions right now, but I'd venture to guess that your defense will have its hands full the next time we meet. Who wouldn't? Moss, Portis, Cooley, Randle El, Lloyd, Patten, et al form a pretty powerful punch.

JWsleep · 03-13-2006, 08:52 PM

Here's my guess--you give a guy like Saunders weapons, and he makes it work. There is no one fixed way to play football; the good coaches adapt their schemes to the players they have. These were the pieces they felt would work best, and off we go. So we don't have a classic possession WR--wonder if Saunders and Gibbs have figured that out and have a plan for it? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say they do...

That Guy · 03-13-2006, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

Yes, these reports are the experts and know everything. Think of all thier keen insight from last year... For instance:

The skins are going to have to field 25 rookies

at the time that report was correct.

Pocket$ $traight · 03-13-2006, 09:26 PM

The Cowgirls better sign some corners or we are going to knock down their stadium on Turkey day...

That Guy · 03-13-2006, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SUNRA

Absolutely not. When Gibbs kicked Coles,McCants and Gardner out of D.C. last year he had a plan to get those free agents that you now see in D.C.
The money is available through cooperative restructring via Brunell, Springs and Portis. With that restructuring before the CBA agreement, it allowed us to get on the job quicker than most teams. Lets face it, it's hard to get almost one player to re-structure today. Next on our target John Abraham or Andre Carter. Then Collins (QB) and then wait for the draft.

when they kicked mccants i highly doubt they knew R'El and lloyd and fauria wouldn't sign extensions etc. the restructuring pre cba DIDN'T happen. it was contigent on the CBA failing, and with a new cba, none of them went through.

most of the cash is prorating an extra year and turing all kinds of bonuses to SB to prorate that.

i think carter is the guy so we save a pick to address one need (OL most likely, possibly LB or CB) cheaply. the others need a FA solution.

03-13-2006, 12:44 PM	#16
RiggoRules Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 380	Re: 'Overpaying' reality check Right now, we don't have enough details on the contract to be able to really say if anyone has gotten overpaid or not. That said, these deals are probably very reasonable in terms of a cap perspective. More importantly, the cost isn't as important as the value to the team. These are very exciting signings for the Skins. Are offense got much, much better. __________________ *"Lighten up, Sandy Baby."*

03-13-2006, 01:01 PM	#17
D'BOYZ The Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,363	Re: 'Overpaying' reality check how much was lloyd sign for? also great wa yto attack your needs in FA I tought you wouldn't be as agressive as other year I stand corrected. Great pick ups .... the only thing that I question is why give a #3 receiver #2/ #1 type money? Don't you believe that with Moss, Lloyd and Randall you have to much money straped in 1 position?

03-13-2006, 01:01 PM	#18
SUNRA The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,680	Re: 'Overpaying' reality check The main reason all of these good players with a lot of upside are considering the Redskins over other teams balls down to a well organized group of guys Gibbs and Synder have around them. First, we get Brunell, Portis and Springs to restructure their contracts before the CBA extension. That freed up over 10 million between the three of them. Add 4.5 million from Lavar and 7.5 million with the CBA Agreement now we're cooking. Ramsey will free up 1.9 million with additional money coming from Ryan Clark, Ladell Betts, and at least one of the RF Agents. When I heard about Synder sending a plane to the Carribean to talk to Collins I knew what Gibbs meant by having an aggressive free agency mission. __________________ Redskins Member since 1970

03-13-2006, 08:52 PM	#27
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,717	Re: 'Overpaying' reality check Here's my guess--you give a guy like Saunders weapons, and he makes it work. There is no one fixed way to play football; the good coaches adapt their schemes to the players they have. These were the pieces they felt would work best, and off we go. So we don't have a classic possession WR--wonder if Saunders and Gibbs have figured that out and have a plan for it? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say they do... __________________ Hail from Houston!

03-13-2006, 09:26 PM	#29
Pocket$ $traight Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Fairfax, VA Age: 48 Posts: 4,261	Re: 'Overpaying' reality check The Cowgirls better sign some corners or we are going to knock down their stadium on Turkey day...

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