'Overpaying' reality check

Paintrain · 03-12-2006, 11:49 PM

I'm already tired of reading about how the Redskins 'overpaid' for Randle El and Lloyd.. You are worth what someone is willing to pay you or what you are willing to pay.. The writers on CBS Sportsline said paying that much money is crazy but so is paying $2 million for assistant coaches.. They are probably paid 6 figures for being nationally syndicated sportswriters and that's not 'crazy'? Is it going to kill our cap? Of course not, Snyder, Shafer, Ceratto know how to massage the cap to maximize it.. Is signing a 26 yr old and a 24 yr old to long term deals 'crazy'?

Please don't feed into this crap by talking about the dollar signs involved.. Ok, I'll get off my

JWsleep · 03-12-2006, 11:59 PM

Good post--this point has been made elsewhere (see Schneed's posts): the new CBA has jacked up saleries, so they look very high to folks. ANd I completely agree: everyone is gonna say the skins overpaid, we'll be in cap hell, etc. as if they haven't noticed the last season AT ALL, and think EVERYTHING we do is Deion, Bruce Smith, ETC ETC.

Not worth getting excited about. We'll do our thing, and they can keep yapping.

Schneed10 · 03-13-2006, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JWsleep

Good post--this point has been made elsewhere (see Schneed's posts): the new CBA has jacked up saleries, so they look very high to folks. ANd I completely agree: everyone is gonna say the skins overpaid, we'll be in cap hell, etc. as if they haven't noticed the last season AT ALL, and think EVERYTHING we do is Deion, Bruce Smith, ETC ETC.

Not worth getting excited about. We'll do our thing, and they can keep yapping.

Yeah I think the reporters that are ripping us, like Priscoe and Judge, have yet to realize the effects of the new salary cap. The cap went from $85 million to $102 million, which amounts to a 20% increase. If you want to see what Randle-El's contract would have been worth last year, you have to dial it down by 20%.

The contract is $11.5 million in bonus, and $31 million overall. Last year, adjusting down by 20%, that would have amounted to $25.8 million over 7 years, with a $9.6 million bonus.

Those are the kind of numbers we're used to seeing and if you look at it in last year's terms, it puts it in better perspective. If it helps you put things in perspective, just divide all dollars of a contract by 1.2. I'll probably need to do this until I get used to the new cap. Looking at Randle-El's contract that way, I think the overall value seems reasonable. The guaranteed $ still seems high to me, but I guess that's what it took to get him signed, and I guess it can be justified based on the return abilities and the trick play potential he also brings.

LongTimeSkinsFan · 03-13-2006, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

I'm already tired of reading about how the Redskins 'overpaid' for Randle El and Lloyd.. You are worth what someone is willing to pay you or what you are willing to pay.. The writers on CBS Sportsline said paying that much money is crazy but so is paying $2 million for assistant coaches.. They are probably paid 6 figures for being nationally syndicated sportswriters and that's not 'crazy'? Is it going to kill our cap? Of course not, Snyder, Shafer, Ceratto know how to massage the cap to maximize it.. Is signing a 26 yr old and a 24 yr old to long term deals 'crazy'?

Please don't feed into this crap by talking about the dollar signs involved.. Ok, I'll get off my

Sounds like CBS and other media giant (a$$es) are sour grapes because Danny's media machine breaks the news before they do and they end up getting sloppy seconds. I say lay into em Snyder and B-slap em a few times for me!

diehardskin2982 · 03-13-2006, 12:15 AM

The media can't figure out how we spend so much money and are not in cap hell. They don't like that we are the richest team in the league and we have an owner who spends the money to get who we want. They also don't like how snyder is not some owner who's family has owned the team for ever and is actually doing well. Also We don't treat the media like they are someone special

That Guy · 03-13-2006, 12:23 AM

they're paying young guys with lots of upside. its MUCH better than paying 35 year olds with 7 year contracts.

moss out played his contract, and over the last two years the only real underperformers were guys that got injured. As long as you're getting talent in return for your money, its not overpaying. the WR market sucked this year. R'El has the best character of the WRs, and lloyd has the best talent. all thats left is TO, bryant, and givens (who wants 5mill a year when patten only got 2.6, granted he's younger, but the production was similar).

the fact that we got 2/5 worthwhile WRs in 2 days is a boon. if we waited or tried to save money now, we'd have to overpay someone like givens who isn't as good.

freddyg12 · 03-13-2006, 12:31 AM

Notice that the $ is in signing bonus & roster bonuses. That "guaranteed" money isn't always guaranteed, see Lavar's situation.
Snyder never dolls out the entire signing bonus in 1 hit, he leaves some of it in later years as a roster bonus to give players some incentive. Snyder's a lot smarter in these deals than he's often portrayed. Does he pay players well? Of course.

That Guy · 03-13-2006, 01:02 AM

i like how this is going to keep up the skins rep of paying people. we're always the first stop on a free agents list, and that's A Good Thing (TM).

That Guy · 03-13-2006, 10:15 AM

keep them talking, let them continue to get the word out... the skins are THE place to visit in free agency.

PSUSkinsFan21 · 03-13-2006, 10:42 AM

Didn't all the "experts" say that we were crazy for giving Moss the contract we did last year too? I trust Gibbs and the rest of the staff on this one. If they saw something in Lloyd and Randel El the same way they saw something in Moss when they went after him, then I'm happy and content with the contracts.

Carnage · 03-13-2006, 11:31 AM

It's easier to fill your alloted time and appeal to the masses if you suspend disbelief and act like a player is going to receive every cent of a contract. It gives them something to bray about for a day or two.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-13-2006, 12:08 PM

It does seem like we overpaid, but:

1. It is hard to figure out what the market is, given the new CBA extension.
2. We're not paying them for what they've done, we are paying them for what they will do.
3. The Bears offered Randle El a very similar contract.
4. The Redskins FO has managed to keep us out of salary cap hell for years now.
5. Who cares what the media thinks of us?

PWNED · 03-13-2006, 12:09 PM

oh i dont care what the media thinks so much as im worried about what happens next year. someone brought up in another thread that the prices seem high due to the new CBA. thatll just be my kool aid for now.

OH YEAH!!!!!

GoSkins! · 03-13-2006, 12:32 PM

Yes, these reports are the experts and know everything. Think of all thier keen insight from last year... For instance:

The game has passed Gibbs by
No way the Skins make the playoffs
The Skins will be in salary cap hell
The skins are going to have to field 25 rookies
The Coles for Moss trade was a terrible decision

Feel free to pile on...

saskin · 03-13-2006, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

Yes, these reports are the experts and know everything. Think of all thier keen insight from last year... For instance:

The game has passed Gibbs by
No way the Skins make the playoffs
The Skins will be in salary cap hell
The skins are going to have to field 25 rookies
The Coles for Moss trade was a terrible decision

Feel free to pile on...

Portis isn't a Gibbs running back....

03-12-2006, 11:49 PM	#1
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 54 Posts: 5,006	'Overpaying' reality check I'm already tired of reading about how the Redskins 'overpaid' for Randle El and Lloyd.. You are worth what someone is willing to pay you or what you are willing to pay.. The writers on CBS Sportsline said paying that much money is crazy but so is paying $2 million for assistant coaches.. They are probably paid 6 figures for being nationally syndicated sportswriters and that's not 'crazy'? Is it going to kill our cap? Of course not, Snyder, Shafer, Ceratto know how to massage the cap to maximize it.. Is signing a 26 yr old and a 24 yr old to long term deals 'crazy'? Please don't feed into this crap by talking about the dollar signs involved.. Ok, I'll get off my __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman

03-12-2006, 11:59 PM	#2
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,717	Re: 'Overpaying' reality check Good post--this point has been made elsewhere (see Schneed's posts): the new CBA has jacked up saleries, so they look very high to folks. ANd I completely agree: everyone is gonna say the skins overpaid, we'll be in cap hell, etc. as if they haven't noticed the last season AT ALL, and think EVERYTHING we do is Deion, Bruce Smith, ETC ETC. Not worth getting excited about. We'll do our thing, and they can keep yapping. __________________ Hail from Houston!

03-13-2006, 12:15 AM	#5
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	Re: 'Overpaying' reality check The media can't figure out how we spend so much money and are not in cap hell. They don't like that we are the richest team in the league and we have an owner who spends the money to get who we want. They also don't like how snyder is not some owner who's family has owned the team for ever and is actually doing well. Also We don't treat the media like they are someone special __________________ That got ugly fast

03-13-2006, 12:23 AM	#6
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: 'Overpaying' reality check they're paying young guys with lots of upside. its MUCH better than paying 35 year olds with 7 year contracts. moss out played his contract, and over the last two years the only real underperformers were guys that got injured. As long as you're getting talent in return for your money, its not overpaying. the WR market sucked this year. R'El has the best character of the WRs, and lloyd has the best talent. all thats left is TO, bryant, and givens (who wants 5mill a year when patten only got 2.6, granted he's younger, but the production was similar). the fact that we got 2/5 worthwhile WRs in 2 days is a boon. if we waited or tried to save money now, we'd have to overpay someone like givens who isn't as good.

03-13-2006, 12:31 AM	#7
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: 'Overpaying' reality check Notice that the $ is in signing bonus & roster bonuses. That "guaranteed" money isn't always guaranteed, see Lavar's situation. Snyder never dolls out the entire signing bonus in 1 hit, he leaves some of it in later years as a roster bonus to give players some incentive. Snyder's a lot smarter in these deals than he's often portrayed. Does he pay players well? Of course.

03-13-2006, 01:02 AM	#8
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: 'Overpaying' reality check i like how this is going to keep up the skins rep of paying people. we're always the first stop on a free agents list, and that's A Good Thing (TM).

03-13-2006, 10:15 AM	#9
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: 'Overpaying' reality check keep them talking, let them continue to get the word out... the skins are THE place to visit in free agency.

03-13-2006, 10:42 AM	#10
PSUSkinsFan21 The Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Philadelphia, PA Age: 48 Posts: 1,340	Re: 'Overpaying' reality check Didn't all the "experts" say that we were crazy for giving Moss the contract we did last year too? I trust Gibbs and the rest of the staff on this one. If they saw something in Lloyd and Randel El the same way they saw something in Moss when they went after him, then I'm happy and content with the contracts. __________________ "Hail to the Redskins!" and "Fight on State!"

03-13-2006, 11:31 AM	#11
Carnage Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 473	Re: 'Overpaying' reality check It's easier to fill your alloted time and appeal to the masses if you suspend disbelief and act like a player is going to receive every cent of a contract. It gives them something to bray about for a day or two.

03-13-2006, 12:08 PM	#12
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Re: 'Overpaying' reality check It does seem like we overpaid, but: 1. It is hard to figure out what the market is, given the new CBA extension. 2. We're not paying them for what they've done, we are paying them for what they will do. 3. The Bears offered Randle El a very similar contract. 4. The Redskins FO has managed to keep us out of salary cap hell for years now. 5. Who cares what the media thinks of us?

03-13-2006, 12:09 PM	#13
PWNED The Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: ZOMGZZZ!!111 Age: 32 Posts: 1,160	Re: 'Overpaying' reality check oh i dont care what the media thinks so much as im worried about what happens next year. someone brought up in another thread that the prices seem high due to the new CBA. thatll just be my kool aid for now. OH YEAH!!!!! __________________ 143 lbs of twisted steel and sex appeal.

03-13-2006, 12:32 PM	#14
GoSkins! The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorktown, Va Age: 55 Posts: 1,587	Re: 'Overpaying' reality check Yes, these reports are the experts and know everything. Think of all thier keen insight from last year... For instance: The game has passed Gibbs by No way the Skins make the playoffs The Skins will be in salary cap hell The skins are going to have to field 25 rookies The Coles for Moss trade was a terrible decision Feel free to pile on... __________________ Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts. A. Einstien

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